Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[baqai]

Me too: Grew up in the Karachi of that era and nearly fell for a certain very powerful cult but got away quickly as I realized it was a cult.

at that time i was living in Gulberg F.B.Area ... can you imagine what i saw and heard when i was growing up? my birth, school and college were from there, my college was Govt College For Men Nazimabad

 

[r3alist]

@r3alist

I think the Israeli advisors, will now be nudging and prompting India to take a similar approach, but with Western hardware.

Israeli, yes, French maybe, American no. There is a lot of homegrown and Russian stuff as well.

I don't know how aware or comfortable Indians are around this possibility

Extremely uncomfortable post the recent armed misunderstanding (since there was no war as such) with Pakistan. The Western powers were seen as unreliable. And the three most successful weapons systems- S400, Brahmos and Akash were all non-Western.

Regards

But you also seemingly have no option as your needs are immediate. Following that you have now declared any attack happening in India can be deemed as an act of war, suspended the iwt, and insisted that India can also in effect be judge, jury and executor.


If you want to match or have a comparably effective doctrine to the Chinese, well the Europeans are about a decade or two away from developing defense industries, any indigenous attempt will be a non-starter given the diversity of platforms, so what's left, us of a.

Also, apparently the israelis are the only other nation which have access to full source codes of the f-35.

 

[Abid123]

Dear members, could you please provide a detailed summary of Pakistan's Bunyan-um Marsoos and what actions were taken during it?

 

[Watandar]

at that time i was living in Gulberg F.B.Area ... can you imagine what i saw and heard when i was growing up? my birth, school and college were from there, my college was Govt College For Men Nazimabad

After the disastrous outcome of local project MQM, why do you think Establishment doubled down and pursued a similar project on the national level (PTI) ? It is my view that MQM, IJI, PTI, MMA all harmed Pakistan in the end and made it a less politically cohesive entity.

This is something the Indians were watching and was a factor in their attack on Pakistan.

 

[r3alist]

I attended a dinner where uncle was a speaker, I have followed him very closely from the days of Shaukat Aziz. Uncle is shrewd and always likes to hedge his bets and sit on the fence. He like Sheikh Rashid is a survivor.

There is no doubt, he is shrewd and bright as they come, and he clearly has a fortified soul and will.



I tried to choose my words carefully there

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

Sir, we should not also be expecting diplomats, and the more serious thinkers to talk like the fringe PDF posters just for a sugar rush.

I am not also saying I am his fan, just that you must know how to walk and chew gum, simply as a survival mechanism. Thanks

The problem is world didn't support India stance not for evidence but likely other reasons. Like Indian state own actions in Canada, USA, Australia against sikhs. Indian support to BLA, TTP was open secret that west ignored because of WOT, thats likely no longer the case.

As India will need Iran, Afghanistan constant support to carry out these terror attacks in Pakistan. So Pakistan is likely to find some support from USA/Europe against rough pariah states and their backer like India.

 

[HAIDER]

Dear members, could you please provide a detailed summary of Pakistan's Bunyan-um Marsoos and what actions were taken during it?

Chinese weapons and satellite comm. And Pakistani brilliant pilots.

 

[RescueRanger]

Dear members, could you please provide a detailed summary of Pakistan's Bunyan-um Marsoos and what actions were taken during it?

Full government dossier (For Public Release) Is in this post:

Post in thread 'Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion'

May 19, 2025

Operation Bunyanum Marsoos - Full Dossier For global community (Open)​

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• RescueRanger

 

[gangsta_rap]

Full government dossier (For Public

RIP good grammer...

 

[r3alist]

You see, with planning and time, there is no reason why India cannot achieve an appropriate, potent and actually helpful military doctrine

But, their insistence on needing to be seen as a superpower, a civilizational state that can create anything just as good as any other nation, will cannibalize or cripple their ability to deliver

Therefore, to really understand what might happen, look at the prevalent bureaucracy and ideology that's being discussed, that's what they have to deliver.

My suspicion, early suspicion, is that the modi avatar will be dissolved, with outside help, Congress who will represent a clean ideological break will come into power and they will naturally align to American prompts, which then will probably lead to significant American military purchases. It's Congress by the way who are representing India on the global stage to prosecute against Pakistan

The main advantage here Pakistan has, that might well keep it intact, is that we are now in a non-linear age, of nonlinear force multipliers and in a military sense Pakistan is higher up the curve and needs to continue to accelerate up the curve, but only in a military sense and only in a specific context.


India, is using lawfare, diplomacy, propaganda as it's intended nonlinear force multipliers

If let's say, the Indians now do get hold of American equipment, well that would then reduce Pakistan's military technology edge and then India's other force multipliers will be more impactful.

Again, missiles rockets bullets sure ....but look how India has been able to suspend the iwt, has been able to propagandise against Pakistan in any way it wants and it gets a hearing


The west is basically prompting India to say sure you can suspend the iwt, no major problems, sure you can bring up Pakistan and terrorism as much as you want, but you need to also get our weapons


Anyway, back to missile's.....

I am just quoting a previous post, rather than rewriting the same thing.
Your average Congress sort of guy will try and more craftily explain Indian actions in a palatable way to the west.


It's also not for no reason, that young bhutto has been mobilized. I guess to fight fire with fire.

Remember, the Congress types will sell their hyper nationalism credentials by saying they were the ones who split east and west up, before that can happen the modi avatar has to be internally dissolved, so I suppose watch to see how that develops. right now modi still seems to be okay

Exactly, this whole Video I was thinking about. In the last 3 weeks I have seen even the most sensible of Indians going completely mad. Maybe, maybe this one is the first sign of some of them finally coming back to their senses after turning into propaganda driven Zombies. That is, once the reality hit them hard in the last 3 weeks. You have made a very valid point.

 

[RescueRanger]

RIP good grammer...

If that is all you can take from my post - I pity you.

 

[StormBreaker]

This is such low quality propaganda! Pakistan considers Indian Sikh community as allies and vice versa and so for Pakistan to attack one of their holiest sites make no sense at all. Indians have lost all marbles!

Pakistan targeted Golden Temple after India’s strikes, air defence shot down all drones and missiles: Indian Army

Pakistan Drone Target on Golden Temple: Pakistan targeted Golden Temple after India's strikes, air defence shot down all drones and missiles: Indian Army.

indianexpress.com

Pakistan targeted Golden Temple after India’s strikes, air defence shot down all drones and missiles: Indian Army​

Pakistan Drone Target on Golden Temple: Pakistan targeted Golden Temple after India's strikes, air defence shot down all drones and missiles: Indian Army.​

I feel like the sudden shift in narratives from Indian media as well as the Intl. Media is a ceasefire condition for a face saving for India. “Thori to ijjat rakhle meri”

 

[baqai]

After the disastrous outcome of local project MQM, why do you think Establishment doubled down and pursued a similar project on the national level (PTI) ? It is my view that MQM, IJI, PTI, MMA all harmed Pakistan in the end and made it a less politically cohesive entity.

This is something the Indians were watching and was a factor in their attack on Pakistan.

this requires a separate topic, but they always need a third party to keep Karachi under control because it is important for the country (and for them), i presume they thought just like MQM they would be able to control PTI which turned out to be a huge miscalculation, BTW MQM is not gone, it has gone underground but certainly not gone by any standard, the day they let Altaf come back i forsee MQM gaining back ground in no time

 

[mythbuster]

Dear members, could you please provide a detailed summary of Pakistan's Bunyan-um Marsoos and what actions were taken during it?

Sure , we will serve you all that in a platter....how would you like it ? Well done , medium rare po r rare ?

 

[Sharma Ji]

I think the Israeli advisors, will now be nudging and prompting India to take a similar approach, but with Western hardware. That might well be their purpose all along.

I don't know how aware or comfortable Indians are around this possibility

Unless you're doing it all by yourself like Russia, the US and China. Add the EU to there too but they're like a consortium of European countries.

It is damn near impossible to go it solo on these huge endeavors, you need a leg up.

India's space and naval programs should inspire the rest, but even there, we had help starting off.

also, I finally have an excuse to post this again:



from this:

to this:

where there's a will...