JF-17 PFX program

JamD said:
Too early to say. However, most likely PFX will (at least initially) be an effort to make the JF-17 100% indigenously. What this entails in terms of the electronics and upgrades is probably up in the air at this point. They key things to do are:
1. Convince China to transfer all of the structural manufacturing to PAC. This will probably require a lot of investment on our part: especially building new factory lines for the additional components that will be manufactured in Pakistan.
2. Decide what kind of avionics package you want to go for: do you want to delink it from China via the Turks (this will be a slow and painful process) or do you want to sweeten the deal for the Chinese for 1 by sticking with Chinese avionics? Maybe PL15 is reason enough to stick with the Chinese avionics stack.

The flags on the PFX slide suggested a desire to delink from the Chinese but the realities, especially after the May 2025 skirmish might force us to remain with the Chinese for reasons I've described above.

So like I said, very uncertain.
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What will happen to than faaz BVR missiles or Turkish BVR missiles if we want to integrate them with PFX. if we go with Chinese will they allow it.
 
Bentley777 said:
What will happen to than faaz BVR missiles or Turkish BVR missiles if we want to integrate them with PFX. if we go with Chinese will they allow it.
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If we go with the Chinese AND they allow it, integrating those things will still be tricky. Again, this is all up in the air at this point. I suggest that we wait a couple of years for things to crystalize a bit.
 
Ali_Baba said:
Each and every time Pakistan wants to do a project like JF17 "on its own", it cannot do it because it does not have the required infrastructure in place and people, so the barrier to that project seems insurmountable and tends to go nowhere.

Pakistan will now bring in a turnkey airframe manufacturing infrastructure into Pakistan via the J17C-P and turn out some JF17C-P's for that programme. This is the same approach that Türkiye took, where it manufactured the F16 in Turkey and then reused that same infrastructure and people to attempt the Kaan project. So, this is not about further developing the JF17C, it is about "finally" building a core infrastructure base in Pakistan that Pakistan can use on other projects. Pakistan will "simply pay the cost now to get over that recurring barrier regardless". It has historically avoided paying that cost on the basis of cost-efficiency of the project.

I think JF17C-P is achievable and Pakistan will move in that direction. I have serious doubts about JF17-PX programme, but we should treat what we refer to the JF17CP programme separately from the JF17-PX programme.

JF17C-P maybe a stepping stone to JF17C-PX, but i suspect that Pakistan will only get as far as JF17C-P if the intention is to make the JF17C-PX larger for new capabilities, which Pakistan does not possess the skillset to do(imho).
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Now what’s Jf-17cp?
 
The JF-17 production ends with Block 3. The PFX is failure to launch. The future are J-35 and J-36.
 
Bentley777 said:
https://aze.media/turkiye-pakistan-azerbaijan-trilateral-defence-cooperation/. 50 units for Azerbaijan💵💵💵. How we will complete our requirements too. PAC should open new production facility 😍😍😍
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JF-17 Block 3 will likely be the last iteration of the thunder series, reasons? the world in all sectors has moved on to bigger & technologically better things in all aspects.

Don't expect major orders from foreign countries either, as supplying to a foreign customer also means you providing assurance of supply & up gradation chain.

Which lets be honest China will likely pull the plug on the JF-17 & transfer the rest to Pakistan in the next 10 years or less.

The airframe has reached its zenith as well further up-gradations will require major overhauls & design changes.

This doesn’t mean the JF-17 is gone it will likely serve PAF for another 2 decades, with minor tweaks along the way.
 
studsmart said:
it seems PFX is going to be a fighter similar to KF21
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Pakistan lacks the infrastructure to build something like the KF21. What wind tunnel testing capabilities does Pakistan have to test something like a KF21? What radar signature testing facilities does Pakistan have? The answer is NONE ...

We all saw how much Turkey spent on the required infrastructure and facilities before it attempted the Kaan project. Pakistan has not made similar types of investments.

PFX is either a fully local built variant(ie all airframe) of the JF17C with new Pakistan avionics additions, or it will be a failed project. Lets not kid ourselves here.
 
Yes, it is locally manufactured JF-17 with full Pakistani avionics suite, weapon package all integrated by PAF along with system software. Propulsion may upgraded with newer Chinese engine like WS-21 instead of WS-13E. Focus will remain on network centric capabilities to make it a part of system comprising on multiple systems instead of developing a stand alone fighter. Block III and J-10C are doing that role pretty well.
 
The pace technology is evolving 5 years is a lifetime for pfx if the work continues on it day and night. With chinese and Turkish support ... Pakistan can make good progress on it. If pfx is less than kf21 type ... in my opinion it is waste of resources. Future of air warfare is going to be very different. 4th generation type fighters are becoming obsolete very fast. That is why China is now fully focus on j20, j35 , j36 and j50. All j16 , j15, j11 and j10 production is coming towards closure if not already done.
 
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