POST WAR assessment of recent conflict.

[j_hungary]

Every place has a baldrick, glad I met one here at last.
Anyone can read the line of our discussion and conclude who answered based on others statement or their own assumptions.

Now, go make me some tea, please no sugar.

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Dude, 3 post not a single point, why do you reply to me to begin with?

And also, if you missed that I have already said "I am okay with your point" and keep talking about my assumption(which again, is NOT MINE) than you really aren't that smart.

PLease run along now.

 

[peagle]

Dude, 3 post not a single point, why do you reply to me to begin with?

And also, if you missed that I have already said "I am okay with your point" and keep talking about my assumption(which again, is NOT MINE) than you really aren't that smart.

PLease run along now.

Please watch the following video. And for once in your life, try not to act the fool.
Now, stop begging for attention.

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[j_hungary]

Please watch the following video. And for once in your life, try not to act the fool.
Now, stop begging for attention.

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DUDE, YOU QUOTE ME FIRST..................................................

I don't even know you to begin with, if you don't like what I post, then DON'T REPLY, and when you do and I get back to you, I am not seeking attention, YOU ARE!!!!!!!!

 

[Oscar]

You need aggressive political will to go with your aggressive intelligence operation. And most country would need both to stay above the water.

The issue with escalation is that you can try to outdo your opponent just for the sake of outdoing it, the issue is always going to be, to what end?

I am not saying Pakistan don't have the capability to fend off a single strike from India, but the crux to the matter is that, if this is not stopped now, for better or worse, this is going to give the Indian command a lot of imagination.

Those "you need to chill" phone call is probably just one of the issue Pakistan is facing, why lead the engagement deeper with more aggressive stance, as you said, if there exist a rational actor on either side "to be a better man" then this escalation itself probably wouldn't happen to begin with. The fact to the matter is the unstable actor that leads to the result we are seeing now, so at this point, how do we go back on track?

I don't think pleasing is going to work, this would just be an excuse until the next time India do something similar or something more serious, how many "bro, chill" phone call can you take? The rebalancing, IMO have to come from within Pakistani authority, for all that they do, India thought they had altered the status quo, and they are not going to come back down unless Pakistan makes it to. The issue here is what India scare of? In the word of Bull Halsey, if you find your enemy weak spot, you need to hit fast, hit hard and hit often.

In my limited opinion Pakistan does not possess the ability to absorb a potential retaliation in the case an attempt to hit the weak spot fails.

Most of the forward centers of gravity in India’s defense lie well within a very potent ADGE which despite claims of it being scarred did not seem to have an impact on the overall net.

So unless you can guarantee hits on those centers of gravity you cannot take this approach. What is left then is trying a mix of erich hartmenns “send one down in flames which scatters the formation” and then rely on the blowfish approach by making your capabilities look bigger and more than they are.

Unfortunately - in that not only do you give away your key capabilities for little in return(declaring ability to gather COMINT) you’re not just trying to find the better man next door but actually hoping your messaging resonates with the true players(US, GCC & Europe) whose favor you must curry to survive.

At the end, without a strong economy it is the nuclear threat that keeps escalation at bay as it did this time.

 

[SaadH]

Pakistan needs an iron dome solution ASAP.

Only entities in Pakistan that have the resources to fund it are Zardari and Sharif clans, will they sponsor it?

 

[SaadH]

Pakistan should hire an American economic advisor such as Jeffrey Sachs. He is very good. But he is a Jewish that wants America to stop supporting Israel as it’s an apartheid state. The Zionists hate him.

Advisors like Sachs or the great khooni liberal hope Atif Mian can't do jack $hit when there is no political will to make deep structural reforms...

It doesn't take an economic savant to turn the economic ship around. The solutions are simple and known to everyone, but there is no willingness on part of the powers that be who call the shots in Pakistan to make any effort to turn things around because it's in direct conflict with their own selfish interests.

 

[MS Sandhu]

Okay, that all depends on one thing, that you can win a protracted war with India both with and without Chinese help and both directly and indirectly.

If you think this is the case, sure why not, but as I know for a fact, after being an astute student of warfare for at least 2 decades, this is not how I see it, and this is not how the mentor in the think tank sees it, and that's not how most of the military circle sees it.

I can probably go on in a indefinite and try to explain to you why this is not going to be the way it was, but then I probably would just going to be talking in circle. So instead I am just going to say this, if that is what you think, then I am okay with it, I would not comment on this further.

The question is how do you define win here?
If India imposes protracted war against Pakistan and Pakistan successfully defends its territory ( at whatever cost ) from Indian Aggression, This may be a win for Pakistanis but may not be for outside analysts.

 

[MastanKhan]

The question is how do you define win here?
If India imposes protracted war against Pakistan and Pakistan successfully defends its territory ( at whatever cost ) from Indian Aggression, This may be a win for Pakistanis but may not be for outside analysts.

Hi,

A win is when the public on the other side is in a panic and nothing like that has happened.

They still want our blood---they are screaming murder---there is no fear in the voice---.

 

[Puncher]

If you have been studying war for 20 years you should know that Pakistan & India are on parity when it comes to ground & airforce.

India can only cut through Pakistan when its conventional might exceeds Pakistan.

true for a short duration war, where pakistan will be able to match Indian firepower.. anything beyond couple of days and India's larger resource base will come into play.. but if China supports Pakistan the way NATO is supporting Ukraine, then it will be a very long drawn war

 

[MastanKhan]

If you have been studying war for 20 years you should know that Pakistan & India are on parity when it comes to ground & airforce.

India can only cut through Pakistan when its conventional might exceeds Pakistan.

hi,

In modern warfare---without an active air force---no ground force can overcome a superior air force.

So---there will be no protracted war---. If it stayed conventional---india will be asking for cease fire in 3 days to a week.

 

[Tomcats]

New image of Murid airbase confirms a second hit, likely minimal damage however due to the nature of the structure.

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[SaadH]

This topic of "going nuclear" is another fallacy that i believe also needs to be explored thoroughly on the Pakistani side. Nukes are not meant to be actually used, their value lies in intimidation and deterrence. Will Pakistan really fire a nuke after a week, knowing the response will be a nuke from India ? I have my doubts.

Indeed, Pakistani mil-establishment had a hugely difficult time climbing up the conventional escalation ladder even after India breached existential threat around IWT, it will be even that more paralyzed in engaging nuclear escalation let alone exercising it.

 

[Oscar]

New image of Murid airbase confirms a second hit, likely minimal damage however due to the nature of the structure.

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Interesting bit is
Maxar is refusing to accommodate Pakistani requests for imagery of Indian bases.

 

[Vox Non Dei]

S400 was hit

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No. CT college incidence happened between May 8 and May 9.

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Besides.... CT college is minimum 14-15 KM away from the airbase...

 

[Ali_Baba]

Interesting bit is
Maxar is refusing to accommodate Pakistani requests for imagery of Indian bases.

Why cant Pakistan put similar restrictions on Maxar to not allow for images of Pakistani bases ?