Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

Chinese apane defense system par taki shaki mar rahe hen.
Majhe to lagta hay kach danon tak India ki phar shamat aane wali hay.

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hydrabadi_arab said:
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Another fatah strike
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All of these videos you have posted show something smoking. In other words, these missiles were not soft killed and did not just fall from an interception. These missiles impacted and beat the Indian air defences.

It is remarkable that Modi continues to deceive his people into thinking that India demonstrated any semblance of superiority over Pakistan in even a single conflict domain.

Aerial encounter was decisively won by Pakistan. I would argue the PN also decisively deterred the IN.

The PA held every square inch of land, therefore, as India attacked us and sought to push us back, I don't see how that is anything less than a decisive beat back.

The missile exchange was probably about "even", but certainly, Pakistan demonstrated an ability to stand and deliver right back in India's face.

I actually am more and more inclined to believe that the false bravado of Modi and his ministers regarding seizing Azad Kashmir arises from a compelling fear in their hearts that Pakistan could genuinely seize IIOJK in the coming years.

They know the game is up and are deflecting desperately.
 
Indians should think before going to war, our married men have no attachment to life anymore, they are looking for excuses for martyrdom.



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Master Chief said:
All of these videos you have posted show something smoking. In other words, these missiles were not soft killed and did not just fall from an interception. These missiles impacted and beat the Indian air defences.

It is remarkable that Modi continues to deceive his people into thinking that India demonstrated any semblance of superiority over Pakistan in even a single conflict domain.

Aerial encounter was decisively won by Pakistan. I would argue the PN also decisively deterred the IN.

The PA held every square inch of land, therefore, as India attacked us and sought to push us back, I don't see how that is anything less than a decisive beat back.

The missile exchange was probably about "even", but certainly, Pakistan demonstrated an ability to stand and deliver right back in India's face.

I actually am more and more inclined to believe that the false bravado of Modi and his ministers regarding seizing Azad Kashmir arises from a compelling fear in their hearts that Pakistan could genuinely seize IIOJK in the coming years.

They know the game is up and are deflecting desperately.
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The missile exchange was not even - India successfully penetrated Pakistan’s AD with the Brahmos showing near impunity save for reduced accuracy due to GNSS spoofing.

The entire focus was to ground PAF and while the initial strikes caused limited to no operational impact at most PAF bases hit - it shows that your AD infra especially shorads are hollow.

Then comes what you did - a lot of your strikes which were not shot down by very effective Indian AD did similar non-critical damage to Indian bases but unlike Indians you don’t even have proof to back those up.

In the end - India may have “lost” a tactical battle in the air and it’s impact was absent IAF in terms of contesting Pakistan’s air space - but their offensive SSM and Stand off capability was undeterred while your leadership kept holding and vacillating between pressures from GCC and US.

They caused more “on ground” damage to your air bases than you to them.

Your claim is that besides the fighters you took out the cheese board radar - which is possible but it is also as likely that after defeating the CM-400 they decided to withdraw the S-400 system to a dispersal site since its position was compromised.
That is technically a temporary “win” in a conflict but not a permanent victory.

Perhaps the true silent victory was that of the PN - it deterred submarine incursions while forcing P-8I patrols against your lone sub towards east and keeping their fleet at arms length with the threat of A2/AD.

Or that of troops in LoC who went all in and did not flinch at initial heavy IA power and proved more battle hardened than any of the Indian troops.
 
Vapnope said:
So, the question then becomes: why did those Rafales get shot down by Chinese-built Pakistani Air Force (PAF) warplanes and their Chinese-made PL-15 air-to-air missiles? Was it because the Indians bought overestimated French weapons and platforms, or was it simply because the Indian military was poorly prepared for the fight at hand?


Of course, the crisis within the IAF cannot by itself explain the excellent performance of Pakistani PL-15 missiles against what were supposedly India’s superior air capabilities. In other words, despite whatever readiness issues there were with the IAF, they cannot camouflage the problems with the French weapons and warplanes that India was using against Pakistan.
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India and France Are At Each Other’s Throats Over the Dassault Rafale Fighter

The crisis within the IAF cannot by itself explain the excellent performance of Pakistani PL-15 missiles against what were supposedly India’s superior air capabilities.
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And here i was thinking this was just a rumor by our twitter zealots. Gosh this is embarrassing !
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Let's be honest, when white european countries sell their weapons to all non-white nations, they massively overcharge and put huge restrictions on them. They probably overcharge the non-whites by 8× the actual price. So if you are a non-white country and you don't indigenously produce advanced weapons systems yourself, you will never be free and will always be under the control and dominion of the white europpean nations.
 
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