JF-17 - Updates, News & Discussion

HRK said:
Kill is confirmed but confusion is on the type ... Some claim MiG-29 some claim upgraded Mirage-2KH was the shot down by JF-17
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We should find out what it was and get candid shots of the wreck for marketing purposes.

We also need to up the CGI/real world blended marketing strategy for the JF-17, like the Saab Gripen.
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MS Sandhu said:
If JF17 has scored a kill
PAF should hype up Thunder not J10C
This would be helpful in getting much needed attention for Pak defence products
Like How Fatah 1 videos went viral across international media
You are just getting free advertising here.
GIDS should capitalize on this event.
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The Western countries will now be keeping an eye if they weren't already.
 
FuturePAF said:
This would be the fledged PFX, if it were adopted. It shares the same geometries as the one from the official renders so I did some digging. (It’s actually the McDonnell Douglas JAST design from the 80s/90s.)

If you go to Torrance, CA. There is a museum there; The Western Museum of Flight.

The model is up on the wall. You can also see one of the two real YF-23 prototypes at this museum as well. A design I think the PAF liked for their PFX design originally, but have seemed to found the right balance between capability and cost/airframes that can be procured. But considering our ability to make the JF-17, a JAST like single engine design with a 110 kn WS-19 engine or 150 kn WS-10B engine be perfect for the PAF.

It would be really cool if some aerospace students/engineers in Pakistan could make this render at full size 1:1 and present it to the PAF and PAC Kamra. Why do all the R&D when there are great designs literally on the shelf.

IMHO, PAC kamra can work on getting the JF-17 Block 3 to do what the Gripen does in terms of short runway landings, quick turn around, austere basing capacities. Once they are pros at that, that tech can be applied to the PFX, and you will have a winning design on your hands. A $30 million plane that can keep up with the big boys. Customers will be lining up at PAC Kamra’s door. A CCA and twin seat version can be marketed to the PLAAF and PLANAF.

We need hundreds of Road Bases around Pakistan.


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Hi,

If you increase the labor cost of paying the employees to european / american salaries---the JF17 BLK3 would run between 70-80 million dollars.
 
FuturePAF said:
We should find out what it was and get candid shots of the wreck for marketing purposes.

We also need to up the CGI/real world blended marketing strategy for the JF-17, like the Saab Gripen.
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Hi,

Gripen only has a video to show---but the JF17 BLK3 has the actual battlefield video of how it works---.
 
The much debated topic of whether the JF-17 Block 3 has achieved its first air kill has finally seen a breakthrough. I know a serving Air Commodore from PAF currently in an important and senior position and I managed to contact him. He told me all the fighter jet kills were from J-10Cs and no kills has been scored by Block 3 in air engagement while the UAV was shot down by ADS. Moreover, he said Thunders weren’t part of the formations during the night of 6th and 7th May. There were J-10Cs being backed up by F-16s. This actually broke my heart that the Thunder unable to shoot down any aircraft since this time it was Thunder’s best chance to score its first ever kill. The chances of Thunder scoring a kill in the future are now zero since PAF hasn’t used it this time, the PAF will unlikely to deploy it during conflicts after procurement of next generation aircraft. We actually had placed too much expectations on Thunder. In reality Thunder should be expected and viewed in line with the words of Justin Bronk from Royal United Services Institute:

“Don’t expect the JF-17 to suddenly become a world-beater. That’s not what it’s built for. it is meant to be a cheap and cheerful lightweight fighter with the flexibility to conduct DCA and strike missions.”


So the conclusion is Thunder hasn’t shot down any Indian fighter aircraft as confirmed by senior PAF officer.
 
Shazia Abrar said:
The much debated topic of whether the JF-17 Block 3 has achieved its first air kill has finally seen a breakthrough. I know a serving Air Commodore from PAF currently in an important and senior position and I managed to contact him. He told me all the fighter jet kills were from J-10Cs and no kills has been scored by Block 3 in air engagement while the UAV was shot down by ADS. Moreover, he said Thunders weren’t part of the formations during the night of 6th and 7th May. There were J-10Cs being backed up by F-16s. This actually broke my heart that the Thunder unable to shoot down any aircraft since this time it was Thunder’s best chance to score its first ever kill. The chances of Thunder scoring a kill in the future are now zero since PAF hasn’t used it this time, the PAF will unlikely to deploy it during conflicts after procurement of next generation aircraft. We actually had placed too much expectations on Thunder. In reality Thunder should be expected and viewed in line with the words of Justin Bronk from Royal United Services Institute:

“Don’t expect the JF-17 to suddenly become a world-beater. That’s not what it’s built for. it is meant to be a cheap and cheerful lightweight fighter with the flexibility to conduct DCA and strike missions.”


So the conclusion is Thunder hasn’t shot down any Indian fighter aircraft as confirmed by senior PAF officer.
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Hi,

Welcome to the forum---.

Senior Paf officers are available dime a dozen---.

It was the complete package that took out the indian aircrafts and not the J10 by itself---.

The J10 was just the conduit---an aircraft carrying the PL15's---.
 
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MastanKhan said:
Hi,

Senior Paf officers are available dime a dozen---.

It was the complete package that took out the indian aircrafts and not the J10 by itself---.

The J10 was just the conduit---an aircraft carrying the PL15's---.
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looks like a post by some stinky indian posing as a Pakistani.
 
MastanKhan said:
Hi,

As a matter of fact---we learnt it from them---.

Those videos were so good that we decided to use them in our actual practicals---.
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The short takeoff, the quick turn around, the engine swaps in under an hour, and austere air base dispersal. There are more things that we could implement or modify on the jets that could get the most out of their design.

For example, austere bases on motorways can be done in such a way that distributes logistics in concealed places nearby and has trucks with gear at concealed locations at the ready at time of heighten tensions.

I’m not saying we can’t innovate this on our own, but the Swedes and the Swiss practiced this kind of dispersal strategy for decades and build infrastructure to plan for it. Instead of doing the R&D, we can benefit from their experience.

We did just give Saab great advertising. They have made a great offer for their Erieye to the Canadians a day or two ago. It would be least they could do and share some of their on the ground experience. :)
 
Shazia Abrar said:
The much debated topic of whether the JF-17 Block 3 has achieved its first air kill has finally seen a breakthrough. I know a serving Air Commodore from PAF currently in an important and senior position and I managed to contact him. He told me all the fighter jet kills were from J-10Cs and no kills has been scored by Block 3 in air engagement while the UAV was shot down by ADS. Moreover, he said Thunders weren’t part of the formations during the night of 6th and 7th May. There were J-10Cs being backed up by F-16s. This actually broke my heart that the Thunder unable to shoot down any aircraft since this time it was Thunder’s best chance to score its first ever kill. The chances of Thunder scoring a kill in the future are now zero since PAF hasn’t used it this time, the PAF will unlikely to deploy it during conflicts after procurement of next generation aircraft. We actually had placed too much expectations on Thunder. In reality Thunder should be expected and viewed in line with the words of Justin Bronk from Royal United Services Institute:

“Don’t expect the JF-17 to suddenly become a world-beater. That’s not what it’s built for. it is meant to be a cheap and cheerful lightweight fighter with the flexibility to conduct DCA and strike missions.”


So the conclusion is Thunder hasn’t shot down any Indian fighter aircraft as confirmed by senior PAF officer.
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I am not sure, maybe @mod can look into it but I got a feeling you are false flagger. F16 is not used in this skirmish. It's only Indian who are saying this. JF17 did score one (either it's Mig29 or M2000) and two S400 also.
 
Public opinion always says that JF-17s are low cost, then how can it be respected?
People always believe in money and prestige.

It should be JF-17c that can easily kill Girben NG and F16v. If you are too shy to brag about it, how do you expect others to believe it?

Inner circle, I believe Azerbaijan already convinced, otherwise they would not place an order of 1.6 billion dollars. Now it is said to add more.
 
sutton9999 said:
Public opinion always says that JF-17s are low cost, then how can it be respected?
People always believe in money and prestige.

It should be JF-17c that can easily kill Girben NG and F16v. If you are too shy to brag about it, how do you expect others to believe it?

Inner circle, I believe Azerbaijan already convinced, otherwise they would not place an order of 1.6 billion dollars. Now it is said to add more.
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China is a bigger and more prosperous country than Sweden. Heck, Volvo is even owned by Geely. So what's your point? The days of Western domination is over. Today's JF-17 is better than Gripen. And that's a widely known fact.
 
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Wing commander Zeeshan JF 17thunder pilot .
 
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