Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Olympus81]

Tells alot when an adversary after a nightmare show of its airforce on 7-May, jumps on multiple escalation ladder and resorts to firing SSCMs from land based platforms.

While Pakistan relied on its initial ladder of Fatah 1 and CM-400s.

The next ladder of Fatah-2, Nasr, Babur, Ra’ad, Taimur, Shaheen were not even deployed.

We all know why the Indians offered to deescalate and quickly engaged the Americans.

 

[Bilal]

How Pakistani narrative is suffering from missing satellite imagery despite confession of Indian CDS can be seen in this Indian propaganda video below. I am not supporting his entire analysis but part about Indian strikes on PAF installations leave one wondering if Pakistan actually hit anything in India. This also remind the Air Crd (R) Chishti who said that PAF during the 4-5 hours of 10th May 2025 delivered more ordinance on Indian targets than it did during the entire 1965 war which lasted for 17 days. One must ask, why don't we have any cockpit imagery, weapon video feed (like 2019), at all? What were the specific targets which were hit? This is turning embarrassing now in all fairness.

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The test is simple. Pakistan has same claims from day one and is slowly being proven true.

Indian claims are changing every day to since their lies are just adjusting to the truth coming out for the world.

In any case all serious (non-indian) observers are pretty much in line with what we are saying. The hair splitting indians share just coming across as clowns which no one is taking seriously.

 

[Olympus81]

How Pakistani narrative is suffering from missing satellite imagery despite confession of Indian CDS can be seen in this Indian propaganda video below. I am not supporting his entire analysis but part about Indian strikes on PAF installations leave one wondering if Pakistan actually hit anything in India. This also remind the Air Crd (R) Chishti who said that PAF during the 4-5 hours of 10th May 2025 delivered more ordinance on Indian targets than it did during the entire 1965 war which lasted for 17 days. One must ask, why don't we have any cockpit imagery, weapon video feed (like 2019), at all? What were the specific targets which were hit? This is turning embarrassing now in all fairness.

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I have a different perspective on this.

Understand that Bhakts are spinning this 24/7. I would imagine there would be satellite pictures coming (thanks to Chinese) in the coming days or weeks.

Let the Bhakts enjoy the initial salvo. They are making a clown of themselves to justify the 6 jets downed. Credibility is near 0.

There have been multiple handles that have been exposing explosions at Indian AFBs. Soon we’ll see satellite images coming. The idea is to release them at a carefully chosen time for maximum impact.

On the other hand, what we are lacking is our seasoned diplomats who are well articulated and can get the message across.

 

[PakShaheen_79]

The test is simple. Pakistan has same claims from day one and is slowly being proven.

Indian claims are changing every day to since their lies are just adjusting to the truth coming out for the world.

Yes, this is one argument but this does not address our lack of BDA capabilities. PAF needs to work a lot on plugging gaps. Pakistan needs weapons like SCLAP, HAMMER, etc.

 

[Vapnope]

It took only 96 hours of sporadic medium intensity combat for Pakistan to start reaching out for its National Command Authority...

Rest you can figure out yourself. Noteworthy, Indian Navy and Indian Army had minimal involvement only with some artillery pieces and attacks limited to existing posts.

It took one pilot to India to start threatening nuclear attacks on Pakistan in 2019. Mike Pompeo is on record telling this to the world.

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In 2025, Indian side and US confirmed that there was no nuclear signaling from Pakistan.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/conflict-with-pakistan-was-always-conventional-no-nuclear-signaling-vikram-misri-to-parliamentary-panel-101747659996713.html

Bottomline is, you are another shameless person who is lying through the teeth to inflate your ego.

@Waz @RescueRanger Why this liar continues to litter the forum with impunity?

 

[Bilal]

Yes, this is one argument but this does not address our lack of BDA capabilities. PAF needs to work a lot on plugging gaps. Pakistan needs weapons like SCLAP, HAMMER, etc.

Pakistan has weapons like scalp and better than hammer. We just didn’t deploy them.

 

[F86 Saber]

It took only 96 hours of sporadic medium intensity combat for Pakistan to start reaching out for its National Command Authority...

Rest you can figure out yourself. Noteworthy, Indian Navy and Indian Army had minimal involvement only with

It took only 96 hours of sporadic medium intensity combat for Pakistan to start reaching out for its National Command Authority...

Rest you can figure out yourself. Noteworthy, Indian Navy and Indian Army had minimal involvement only with some artillery pieces and attacks limited to existing posts.

Since you have no idea, National Command Authority also has control of our Missile program. While Ishaq Dar denied that a meeting took place, even if it did, they might have discussed the next rung on the ladder of response based on India's response which would have been Shaheen, Ra'ad or Taimoor, not necessarily nuclear. However Pakistan has stated many times that we will not hesitate to go nuclear if required so that option might also have been discussed.

 

[ARMalik]

This is what Pakistan needs as well. Russia is using Chinese made low altitude drone destroyer laser system.

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[Falcon Junoon]

Lol. Oky. There is no point left for the sake of argument. You are gonna believe what you gonna believe. Im very sure about my claims for a reason. Specially for the sargodha example that you highlighted. I even know where exactly the missiles on sargodha were launched from.

Anyway, you can just go back and pay heed on the words of your very CDS whose narrataive you are peddling here. The so-called change of tactics was basically launch missiles from "larger" distances. That's what basically he said. This only further proves my claim of IAF not being able to come close to border. Also take a pause and spend some time thinking as to why you couldn't engage even a single fighter of PAF even on 10th.

As for SSMs being used more often than ALCMs. Well, you ain't gonna believe so let it be.

Overall, the IAF did a very shit show with the sort of budget and resources they had. The people should be very angry about it. It demands serious accountability. On a serious note.

I was hoping Pak would announce, on 6 May, some sort of, like say, 200km no fly zone inside indian airspace just to humiliate them further .

Next time, if India dares attack Pak, we should do this & only lift no fly zone after India reinstates her participation in IWT.

 

[Vkdindian1]

The adverdary was tracking each of your missiles and knows exactly where those missiles were being launched from. Don't worry.

I guess, as an example, AVM Aurangzeb also showed with actual radar tracks. How couple of missiles launched on shahbaz and bholari were made ineffective.

At the end of the day knowing all this didn’t have much of use.

If these could be tracked right from the time of the launch then there was enough reaction time for them to be neutralised. More so for slower moving Scalp missiles. Not all of them but atleast those that were headed towards high value areas and targets like Nur Khan and Sargodha should have been intercepted.

The reaction time available had increased considering that the IAF aircraft were launching them from farther ranges (as claimed).

 

[sutton9999]

This is what Pakistan needs as well. Russia is using Chinese made low altitude drone destroyer laser system.

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This is police grade,

Pakistan can get PLA stuff.

 

[Vapnope]

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[iblini]

This is what Pakistan needs as well. Russia is using Chinese made low altitude drone destroyer laser system.

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It's from a private company for public security purpose, I think Pakistan can get a better military grade product.

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[Vkdindian1]

How Pakistani narrative is suffering from missing satellite imagery despite confession of Indian CDS can be seen in this Indian propaganda video below. I am not supporting his entire analysis but part about Indian strikes on PAF installations leave one wondering if Pakistan actually hit anything in India. This also remind the Air Crd (R) Chishti who said that PAF during the 4-5 hours of 10th May 2025 delivered more ordinance on Indian targets than it did during the entire 1965 war which lasted for 17 days. One must ask, why don't we have any cockpit imagery, weapon video feed (like 2019), at all? What were the specific targets which were hit? This is turning embarrassing now in all fairness.

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It is because it is a war between fanboys and bhakts. No one wants to give any credit to the other side.

Each side wants to claim full success and capability to itself and consider the adversary a fool.

Each and every weapon of the other side failed and own one’s became superman.

India failed to do anything while Paksiatn has done everything by the book and completely outdid Indians, in each and every department.

 

[side-winder]

If these could be tracked right from the time of the launch then there was enough reaction time for them to be neutralised. More so for slower moving Scalp missiles. Not all of them but atleast those that were headed towards high value areas and targets like Nur Khan and Sargodha should have been intercepted.

The reaction time available had increased considering that the IAF aircraft were launching them from farther ranges (as claimed).

As i said earlier, you didn't launch only one or two on each base. And no one can intercept 100% missiles. I don't see any logic in your post above. Now you're only sounding like a troll.

Nevertheless, we need to further improve our interception capabilities, no doubt about that. We'll do something about it. Don't worry.

At the end of the day knowing all this didn’t have much of use.

i can exactly say the same in terms of actual damage on ground. Specially when comparing with the damage in air you suffered for everyone to see actual destroyed assets.