Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[side-winder]

That would be a very tactical kind of thinking in an operation of this scale. It wasn’t kids squabbling over something with past grudges.

The attacks were carried out against all kinds of targets. Runways, Command and Control centres, Hangars, Hardened Deeply Buried Targets etc.

The idea was to show that nothing is safe on ground at any location in entire Paksiatn.



Glory is not in display of bravado but achievement of one’s aim. Indian aircraft were also not intercepted on 10th and they attacked where they wanted.

Dude, lets just agree to disagree on few points.

Your response was good with the cruise missiles. I'll give u that. But the mighty IAF had a very little role to play in that. With the sort of resources they had coupled with an air defence system like S400. The performance of IAF screams for a serious accountability.

At the end of the day, when they'll write-off the lost assets, the IAF will have a very heavy list at hand. Same can not be said about the PAF. The hangars, buildings and runways won't take long to be repaired. Some would have already been done. But it doesn't matter as far as your PR is concerned as an average indian is very much convinved about complete destruction of 11 bases.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Do we really think we have that woman pilot? I dont think so.

in next 30 days, truth will come out, max 60 days...

 

[Baibers_1260]

I thought the Valley Kashmiris and the Azad Kashmiris are very similar and the Valley Kashmiris are the one who have formed the backbone of resistance against the Indian rule.

No, the people of the Valley speak Kashmiri and are different in dress culture and cuisine from their Pahadi Punjabi Azad Kashmiri counterparts. Of course they share 100% religious affinity with Azad Kashmir but as we saw in East Pakistan religious affinity is not necessarily a binding factor. Kashmiris In India have been eyeing independence rather than merger with Pakistan. Like the East Bengalis who used Partition as a tool to break away from Hindu dominated West Bengal and India and subsequently broke with Pakistan the Kashmiris also dream of a similar path to their self-determination

There are bigger factors at play now and the situation has changed dramatically.
China views Kashmir as a strategic area of vital interest. India's abrogation of Article 370 has been seen as a threat to China's CPEC and Karakoram Highway lifeline. Praveen Sawhney in his 6 part brief video podcasts has given an excellent analysis of the China factor in the Kashmir dispute which is no longer bi-lateral but trilateral, and in a widespread conflict is likely to result in a drastically altered status quo in China's favor. Praveen is essentially warning India to maintain the status quo and negotiate with Pakistan rather than invite Chinese participation.

Given the current mindset in India the chances of a settlement are extremely bleak and a bloody conflict ( predicted in a year from now) is very likely

 

[Vkdindian1]

The Kashmir valley population won’t go out on a limb until the shift is a fair accompli in Pakistan’s favor. Pakistan needs to build itself up to have joining it or even allying with it, as an independent country, is a safe bet over siding against India.

This is the same calculus the Khalistan movement has. Many Sikhs of Punjab and Haryana still feel an affinity for Pakistan due to the common Punjabi identity. But until Pakistan is economically and institutionally strong (rule of law, social services, etc.) they will have to live under Indian rule.

Both the purported ideas have been done and dusted.
1965 Op Gibraltar was Paksiatn’s effort to create that situation in Kashmir. We know the outcome.
Khalistan movement is long gone.
I see a lot of people here professing that Sikhs are about to start a revolution here.

Nothing can be farther from truth. Unlike in the past any active attempt by Pakistan to stoke a fire in these religions are likely to elicit a disproportionate response from Modi.
The usual answer is likely to be - we are not scared.
A little prudence may be in order in this regard.

 

[PK781]

Just curious what happens to the pilots of some of those damaged planes. If they recover fully, do they still get to fly again? Or relegated to ground duties then

 

[FuturePAF]

Yup. "Success has 100 fathers".
India did and potentially could still offer Kashmiris more than Pakistan did: India's larger economy ensured more development funding in the Indian Occupied Kashmir. The Indian passport is stronger. Indian educational institutes and medical facilities are better. So on and so forth. Got to give credit where it's due. One will only learn new knowledge when one uses some benchmarks, some criteria for success. Pakistan needs to up its game on many levels.
Having said all that, it is puzzling why India let Kashmir starting to boil with its imperialist policies in the 80s, otherwise Pakistan had basically left Kashmir alone in the previous quarter century. Why India would introduce stupid policies like revoking the Articles from its Constitution which gave Kashmiris some rights. Why India is trying to change the demographics in Kashmir. The only explanation I can think of is not Pakistan but some kind of irrational civilizational revivalism under Modi and unless that mentality is permanently reversed in India, I see no choice for Pakistan but to become proactive on Kashmir and even try to take it back. It is a matter of existence for Pakistan now.

Their insecurity got the better of them, and with what they did with article 370, they have drawn China half way into the conflict. If they openly buy the F-35 and become the sepoys for the west against China, it will spark a revival of a total war mindset in China against India.

Indian troops and merchants were central to China’s century of humiliation. 40% of the foreign troops that sieged Beijing were Indian troops under the British.

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The Pakistani establishment (military and financial oligarchs) have to realize that China is willing to support them if they get their acts together; roll back the corruption and let industries and institutions flourish again to be able to challenge India on all fronts. The military domain is not enough o adequately challenge India, it only is a blocking force, holding India down, not going for the decisive moves.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Both the purported ideas have been done and dusted.
1965 Op Gibraltar was Paksiatn’s effort to create that situation in Kashmir. We know the outcome.
Khalistan movement is long gone.
I see a lot of people here professing that Sikhs are about to start a revolution here.

Nothing can be farther from truth. Unlike in the past any active attempt by Pakistan to stoke a fire in these religions are likely to elicit a disproportionate response from Modi.
The usual answer is likely to be - we are not scared.
A little prudence may be in order in this regard.

British 'gave you' country, they are not foolish!

Hatred seems to be your ONLY GLUE

 

[Be dazzled]

We didn't lose any planes saaar. No footage no pics saaaar.

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[PK781]

Military needs to revolt against modi and bjp this is no way to treat your soldiers

their military is not able to confront the govt....hence they got forced into a confrontation with Pakistan......if they had any clout they would've refused to comply to modi for his election drama

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

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[Vkdindian1]

The hangars, buildings and runways won't take long to be repaired.

The attack over these targets seems to have lost its meaning to many people.

The attack across the entire Pakistan was at many kinds of targets. Few runways, hangars and deeply buried hardened shelters all across was display of capability to strike accurately and hit anything.
If IAF really wanted there were atleast 5-6 aircraft parked in open at Nur Khan.

PAF did good but IAF had a lot to show for themselves.

 

[Baibers_1260]

Both the purported ideas have been done and dusted.
1965 Op Gibraltar was Paksiatn’s effort to create that situation in Kashmir. We know the outcome.
Khalistan movement is long gone.
I see a lot of people here professing that Sikhs are about to start a revolution here.

Nothing can be farther from truth. Unlike in the past any active attempt by Pakistan to stoke a fire in these religions are likely to elicit a disproportionate response from Modi.
The usual answer is likely to be - we are not scared.
A little prudence may be in order in this regard.

Unfortunately for India. The Kashmir dispute is no longer bilateral and no longer purely territorial.
The elephant in the room is China which hold the water resources in the upper regions of the Indus and views the Karakoram Highway linked to CPEC as a vital sphere of interest.

Prudence is required on India's side to quietly come to an agreement with Pakistan on the terms of the Agra Summit which was torpedoed by Hindutva ideologues .
The alternative is quite bleak for India

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[Be dazzled]

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But but we didn't lose saaaar. We won. Please saaar Pakistan is small weak we big stronk saaar.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Just curious what happens to the pilots of some of those damaged planes. If they recover fully, do they still get to fly again? Or relegated to ground duties then

If they have no health issues, then they will be back flying. Abhi is back flying a Mig-21 after what he went through and will serve out his flying career before moving into a desk type role which he must be getting close to right now.

Abhi was a Su30MKI pilot at one point, so it is weird he went to a Mig-21 after that, odd and something i dont understand unless he did not meet the required standard to fly the Su30MKI.

 

[Pradotlc]

The attack over these targets seems to have lost its meaning to many people.

The attack across the entire Pakistan was at many kinds of targets. Few runways, hangars and deeply buried hardened shelters all across was display of capability to strike accurately and hit anything.
If IAF really wanted there were atleast 5-6 aircraft parked in open at Nur Khan.

PAF did good but IAF had a lot to show for themselves.

Total Bakwas ….

You couldn’t hit squat…