Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[ziaulislam]

Very well articulated

Now that the fog of war is lifting we can perhaps construct a rudimentary timeline of events that happened during Indo-Pak skirmishes 2025.

- Indians either orchestrated or deliberately allowed Pahalgam attacks to happen. No police force nor army nor paramilitary arrived despite the existence of police station/ 1RR camp/ 116 CRPF Bn camps a stone's throw away.

- 10 mins after the massacre was over, Indian police filed an FIR against "Pakistani masters".

- No investigation nor manhunt for the perpetrators which was very odd. They still remain at large.

- BJP decided to use the event as a way to rile up domestic support as usual, to launch attacks on Pakistan and to force Pakistan into renegotiating IWT. Specifically the right to object to Indian dam designs & storage rights.

- Indian military cautioned against the idea and frankly expressed their capability shortcomings & Pak capabilities to strike back/ inflict pain.

- Indian political leadership shrewdly distanced themselves from the debacle and made a show of "full op control" given to military.

- Indian military waited for weeks to gather intelligence on their targets but mostly failed as the strikes killed civilians. 0 big name LeT/JeM figures.

- IAF believed large numbers and firing SOWs from Indian airspace would deter PAF from retaliating. They had multiple strike and escort packages nevertheless.

- PAF indeed operated under strict ROE of no shooting unless IAF violates airspace or attacks them.

- PAF ROE were changed on moments notice when they detected Indians dropping SOWs. PAF engaged and shot down those aircrafts which fired SOWs, in the momentous 1h battle.

- Chaos ensued and IAF jets hurried back to their hangers after the losses.

- PAF was ordered not to pursue or strike again. Decision-makers believed this was enough retaliation to establish deterrence and rest could be done by army, to avoid escalation into war.

- Desperate Indians began drone probes after grounding of their Airforce to deter the feared Pak retaliation.

- Pak side delayed too long, deliberating on a counter strike that is proportionate and doesn't escalate - contrary to public proclamation of disproportionate response.

- DG ISPR Presser to foreign journalists where he told Journalists to remember Pakistani kids when Pak action begins, broke the camel's back and Indians panicked hard.

- The Pakistani land forces mobilization, posture and PAF proven air dominance made Indians fear a full war focused on Kashmir which caused a panic.

- Indian military ordered desperate LRV strikes on PAF bases and Pakistani cities to deter the war or at least degrade PAF capabilities to equalize the air war if deterrence failed.

- Now Pakistan panicked and launch Op Bunyan Al Marsoos with Air and Land forces much earlier than they wanted and with smaller scope. IAF/IA bases targeted.

- Ajit Doval called Trump to claim Pak was preparing for nuclear strikes (a lie, as proven by Indian CDS).

- Trump & his team got DGMOs of both sides to connect and figure out the off ramps.

- Indian political leadership stepped back in, denying diplomatic costs of the ceasefire and spreading fantasy tales.

- Indian foreign service is lambasted for its failures and MPs are sent abroad to convince foreign govts. No foreign govt hosted or met these delegations except Colombia, another disaster.

- Indian military begins feeling like it is being scapegoated and CDS utilizes Singapore hosted Shangri-la summit to deal 3 blows to BJP. First confirming air losses, 2nd confirming IAF was grounded, 3rd rubbishing BJP lies on nuclear issues.

- BJP gets caught in own devices. It has lionized the military too much to summarily discipline the uppity CDS. But it also cannot let this slip. Military however is way too entrenched in Indian public Psyche now, to detriment of BJP.

- There will be consequences of this fiasco on Indian politics. Now we just sit back and wait.

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Even if Pakistan sponsered the attacks it should continue unless and untill India stops attacks in Pakistan

 

[Vox Non Dei]

National Command Authority is not for authorizing nuclear war only

Did I say nuclear in that post? It is the authority that control strategic weapons of Pakistan. Where did you pick up Nuclear from?

 

[Vapnope]

More BS. Engage the PAF before it could take off eh?so how many jets u shoot down? ‘Err err none but we fired some misiles from safety of our own airspace, does that count? honest we did?’’s stories are easy to make up, shooting down 6 top off the line jets is a lot harder. Totally beyond the capabilities of IAF but they’re good at giving medals for being shot down and declaring ‘victory’ after getting their ass handed to them. nations AF

Bud i am pakistani. The article is by Bilal khan by Quwa.

 

[StormBreaker]

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[PAKISTANFOREVER]

She likely didn't know the targets were civilians. Pilots are rarely told a lot of information about the targets provided, so as to prevent leaks.

Having said that, she seems to have been shot down after attempting to target a Pakistani air base, and was shot down close enough to the border that she ended up landing on Pakistan's side after ejecting.

As such, she's a prisoner of war, and should be treated as such.

Pakistan isn't a barbarian nation, it is civilized. Treat soldiers as soldiers.

That's the problem. Pakistanis are more often too civilised, hospitable and accommodating. Often to our own detriment. T

 

[That_Guy]

That's the problem. Pakistanis are more often too civilised, hospitable and accommodating. Often to our own detriment. T

Its also what turned world media against India.

This civilized approach made Pakistan look good, and India look like warmongering idiots.

 

[Baibers_1260]

Did I say nuclear in that post? It is the authority that control strategic weapons of Pakistan. Where did you pick up Nuclear from?

So why shouldn't Pakistan reach out to any authority? Whether it is the National Command Authority or the Karachi Gymkhana Kitty Party Authority. Why should India or any other nation care?
Your valuable take on this please?

 

[The SC]

#Indian -Pakistani War:

The Pakistani JF-17 Thunder succeeded in destroying the S-400 Triumf defense system using the Chinese-made CM-400akg missile, indicating great progress in the ability of air strikes on the ground.

This is the first confirmed combat use of the CM-400AKG missile; It is a hypersonic missile with a speed that exceeds 5 Mach, and warhead options are able to defeat the fortified targets, which is especially dangerous in the hands of countries like Pakistan facing opponents with advanced technological means.

The JF-17 Thunder plane, which was jointly developed by Pakistan and China, proves it is an effective plane in terms of cost and a power multiplier.

It has now been tested in fighting with high-speed precision strike capabilities - it is likely to attract new export attention after this success.

This event may reshape the strategic beliefs worldwide and raise the position of China as a major exporter of advanced missile technology.

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[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

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ohh look, Mr. Swaheny knows 'less' than Indian trolls!

 

[That_Guy]

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ohh look, Mr. Swaheny knows 'less' than Indian trolls!

Once again, I'm glad the Indian military hates this guy, because if they listened to him Pakistan would suffer greatly.

 

[Dalit]

Once again, I'm glad the Indian military hates this guy, because if they listened to him Pakistan would suffer greatly.

No doubt. He is one of the saner voices in Hindustan.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

very confusing reports on female indian pilot, lets wait for next 60 days

 

[That_Guy]

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ohh look, Mr. Swaheny knows 'less' than Indian trolls!

On a side note, this proves to me that for 2 complete days, PAF had complete air superiority over the skies of Kashmir. If Pakistan wanted, it's air force could have gone deep into Indian sovereign skies.

@jugger what the hell are you laughing for? Your nation lost multiple fighters, and inflicted superficial damage. Your female pilot might be in Pakistani custody, and your own army chief is admitting that your air force was grounded for 2 whole days.

What is there to laugh at?

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

fierce reply expected from Russia

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

On a side note, this proves to me that for 2 complete days, PAF had complete air superiority over the skies of Kashmir. If Pakistan wanted, it's air force could have gone deep into Indian sovereign skies.

no saar we destroyed runways saar

Mr. Swaheny has a fake account saar