Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

Reasonably good analysis of how IAF and ‘mighty’ Ra-fail / spectra got owned….
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Baibers_1260 said:
No, the people of the Valley speak Kashmiri and are different in dress culture and cuisine from their Pahadi Punjabi Azad Kashmiri counterparts. Of course they share 100% religious affinity with Azad Kashmir but as we saw in East Pakistan religious affinity is not necessarily a binding factor. Kashmiris In India have been eyeing independence rather than merger with Pakistan. Like the East Bengalis who used Partition as a tool to break away from Hindu dominated West Bengal and India and subsequently broke with Pakistan the Kashmiris also dream of a similar path to their self-determination

There are bigger factors at play now and the situation has changed dramatically.
China views Kashmir as a strategic area of vital interest. India's abrogation of Article 370 has been seen as a threat to China's CPEC and Karakoram Highway lifeline. Praveen Sawhney in his 6 part brief video podcasts has given an excellent analysis of the China factor in the Kashmir dispute which is no longer bi-lateral but trilateral, and in a widespread conflict is likely to result in a drastically altered status quo in China's favor. Praveen is essentially warning India to maintain the status quo and negotiate with Pakistan rather than invite Chinese participation.

Given the current mindset in India the chances of a settlement are extremely bleak and a bloody conflict ( predicted in a year from now) is very likely
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With all due respect, besides religion we neither share cultural nor geographic ties with Bengalis. It's sad the way things ended with them and I wish they were independent from the moment we gained freedom from the British. This East Pakistan, West Pakistan never made any sense in any way. Many people should know that when the Bengali movement started they also advocated for their language rights

The term “Azad Kashmir” is somewhat misleading, since most of its residents are Pahari Punjabi rather than ethnic Kashmiris. Apart from the Neelum Valley, its districts don’t actually lie within true Kashmir. More critically, the Kashmir issue cannot be equated with Bengal. Pakistan’s very identity is tied to Kashmir when Rehmat Ali coined the name “Pakistan,” he explicitly included Punjab, Afghanistan, Kashmir, Sindh, and Balochistan. The Persian cultural influence of these states for hundreds of years was what united our states. Even under British rule, administrators noted in memoirs and books that these areas differed from mainland India in every aspect of life.

The Kashmir Valley movement has experienced many ups and downs. At times, Pakistan has betrayed the Kashmiris, and at other times, certain Kashmiri leaders have betrayed Pakistan. I primarily hold Pakistan responsible, as it failed to strengthen the federation due to petty domestic politics. In any case, whether Kashmir becomes independent or joins our federation, I believe it will benefit Pakistan. As an independent state, Kashmir would support Pakistan diplomatically in the region, and if it becomes part of Pakistan, It would address our water challenges and bring a more educated populace.
 
That_Guy said:
I'm convinced she's in Pakistani custody, and Pakistan kept quiet about it at the request of the US and India in order to facilitate a ceasefire.

If she's in India, all India would have to do is present her.

Heck, a local Indian street journalist just needs to visit her house and take a picture of her there.

Yet, no photos, no videos, not even an audio-call to a media outlet or through military channels.

Pakistan has her, and unless India proves otherwise, I'm convinced she'll stay in Pakistani custody until a proper negotiation can be settled upon.
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If the pilot is in Pakistan, the jet debris should be in Pakistan too, or close to the border, the closest crash PAF reported was 15KM inside India i think, also there should be some footage of crash or parachute too inside Pakistan or near border.
And as reason to why India may not be presenting her to media is, she may be one of the pilots of Rafale's which were downed over Indian airspace and she is either MIA or dead or receiving treatment in India, and disclosing dead/injured pilot will be another defeat for hindutva.
 
ziaulislam said:
Time to authentic and collect those videos..i am going to add more on next weekend but we can build a collection..
Anyone can confirm four crash sites but they are probably 7+ with possible fratricide shot downs too likely we saw in 2019

India went a step ahead denying honorable death to even its pilots this time
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there is a possibility of Dhruv Type helicopter shot down by IADS in Kashmir also but not know if our IADS kill or their fratricide.
 
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listen carefully 3:00 onwards
 
Fasbre2 said:
Double figures… double figures… PAF keeping quite so as not to humiliate IAF… whose fault it is not.. this is all bjp and modi’s doing wanted their bit of fame and legacy.. InshaAllah they will not achieve what they seek…
Plan as much as they want…. Allah SWT is the best of planners…
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Exactly.

If these serial numbers are true, then the count is far greater than 6.

Shivangi is almost a fact now and she was the first rafale pilot.

The IAF pilot list rolled out by Pakistani ISPR related accounts don’t mention shivangi, yet her rafale crashed too.

What I am thinking is that the PAF might’ve successfully got into their systems and used that to target their own jets using their own missiles.

This would explain why IAF didn’t fly on May 10.

This would further mean that Pakistan has achieved clear air superiority not only over IOK but whole of India and that we were in a position to conquer them but USA saved them (and most probably we weren’t in the mood to escalate either).
 
Maarkhoor said:
See how G@bar Arya crying in another way he is accepting defeat but need to listen full.

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don't promote their channels. its not that they don't know that facts, they are just making money.
 
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hint: look at their dresses!
 
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