Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

Mighty_Dragon_Strike said:
at 1 point, china got so irritated, it complained to bajwa, then army chief, who also showed resentment
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Source of this information??

Did China ever say that CPEC was slowed for any other reason than COVID-19? No.
Bajwa was a traitor for his role in toppling elected regime to be a bi*ch of riches and had a habit of blaming everywhere, where is he BTW, Ma*rch*od.

Patwaris and Faujeets need to control their verbal dehrria that ls getting out of hands lately on this forum which has nothing to do with this thread.

IK was the first and only leader who took Trump (A US President) head on and remind CIA director on Pakistani visit that he must see his professional counterpart as part of protocol instead of insisting on meeting with the PM who is leader of the country. I can go on and on... Stop cherry picking. There is no need of this specially here on this thread.
 
Vkdindian1 said:
Incorrect. Commercial flying is carried out based on NOTAMs for airspace restrictions. There are no such restrictions right now. All airports near border areas are fully active with normal commercial operations.

All international airlines choosing to fly to and from India using Paksiatn airspace are doing so.
Few European carriers had stopped using Paksiatn airspace for some time. All of them haven’t gone back to normal routes.
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Nope, complete cow dung. Commercial airlines fly through authorised airspace corridors of countries, and there doesn't necessarily need to be NOTAM in place to restrict airliners, for example, from flying over sensitive military sites, conflict zones, or even natural disasters such as volcanic eruptions. If you look at the air traffic data map, you can clearly see the indian military has imposed a clear no fly zone in large parts of indian airspace, and only allowed a narrow corridor for international airlines to fly over india into Pakistan. It appears the limit of that no fly zone is similar to the effective range of the PL15, coincidence?
 
PakShaheen_79 said:
Source of this information??

Did China ever say that CPEC was slowed for any other reason than COVID-19? No.
Bajwa was a traitor for his role in toppling elected regime to be a bi*ch of riches and had a habit of blaming everywhere, where is he BTW, Ma*rch*od.

Patwaris and Faujeets need to control their verbal dehrria that ls getting out of hands lately on this forum which has nothing to do with this thread.

IK was the first and only leader who took Trump (A US President) head on and remind CIA director on Pakistani visit that he must see his professional counterpart as part of protocol instead of insisting on meeting with the PM who is leader of the country. I can go on and on... Stop cherry picking. There is no need of this specially here on this thread.
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outcomes matter.... it seems your 'idol' cant even put a foot wrong, that is the problem..

re. source, I read Dawn, I am a Financial Engineer, I am trained to extract truth out of data. I can read waves, mean reversion, volatilities, auto-regressions, time variance etc etc..

I can tell when fridge is in cabinet, just by the first look and when glasses has a camera!!! If you are not mature enough, have some heart, show some deceny and put on some heavy counter narrative/outputs/outcomes.....

I am not a cartoon, I can read 'undeniable' truth!!
 
Jango007 said:
Where is Modi...he needs to say agar hamare paas F35 hota tou shaid Pakistan mere dhoti naa utaar data......





Jet Black Threat: Pakistan’s J-35 Fighters Could Turn India’s Airspace into a No-Fly Zone​

Story by Ruta Deshpande, Deftech Analyst
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Skybound Peril: Pakistan’s J-35 Deal Weakens India’s Air Edge

Skybound Peril: Pakistan’s J-35 Deal Weakens India’s Air Edge
Recent reports suggest that China may accelerate the delivery of its latest stealth fighter jets, the J-35A, to Pakistan, stirring fresh concerns about the shifting balance of air power in South Asia. Pakistan’s Foreign Minister and Deputy Prime Minister Ishaq Dar is said to have finalized the logistics and financing details for this deal during his recent visit to China, following India’s Operation Sindoor — a military campaign that struck deep into terrorist and militant infrastructure.


The China-Pakistan Fighter Jet Deal: Reality or Rhetoric?

While official timelines placed the J-35’s delivery to Pakistan no earlier than 2029, the recent push for fast-tracking raises questions. The J-35, also known as the Shenyang J-31, only recently entered production, making rapid large-scale deliveries challenging.

Some analysts speculate that Pakistan’s military rhetoric may aim to bolster domestic morale after Indian strikes. Moreover, Pakistan’s economy, heavily dependent on IMF aid, casts doubts on its ability to finance such costly hardware without substantial Chinese subsidies or discounts — presumably in appreciation of Pakistan’s contribution to Operation Sindoor, which featured Chinese jets and missile weapons.

This potential influx of advanced stealth fighters could significantly alter air dominance in the subcontinent, reigniting debates within Indian strategic circles about the urgency to strengthen India’s own air capabilities.



India’s Fifth-Generation Fighter Ambitions: The AMCA Project​

India’s indigenous response to the fifth-generation fighter challenge is the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA), currently slated for induction around 2035. Designed as a stealthy, multirole, single-seat, twin-engine air superiority fighter, the AMCA aims to incorporate modern features such as supercruise, advanced avionics, and electronic warfare capabilities. Its development is underway through a public-private partnership involving the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA), Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), and Indian private firms.

However, as China accelerates the export of its fifth-generation J-35 stealth fighter to Pakistan, India faces heightened urgency. The J-35, with its radar-evading design and networked warfare capabilities, could soon give Pakistan a technological edge that complicates India’s traditional air superiority. While the AMCA promises to be a significant step forward, its timeline is lengthy, and concerns remain over delays in related projects like the LCA Mk1A. In contrast, the J-35 is expected to enter Pakistani service before AMCA production begins, creating a potential capability gap. Given the rapid buildup of Chinese airpower and the J-35’s deployment, India is evaluating whether it should seek an interim fifth-generation fighter or join international programs to develop sixth-generation aircraft.

What Defines a Fifth-Generation Fighter?
The era of fifth-generation fighters began with the US F-22 Raptor in 2005. These aircraft are characterized by:

  • Stealth: Low radar cross-section using advanced materials and shaping.
  • Advanced Avionics: Unmatched situational awareness is provided by IRST sensors, fused sensor data, and multifunction AESA radars.
  • Network-Centric Warfare: Real-time data sharing and electronic warfare capabilities.
  • Supercruise: Sustained supersonic flight without afterburners.
  • Internal Weapons Bays: To maintain stealth profiles.
  • Enhanced Maneuverability: Thrust vectoring and advanced aerodynamics.
These features provide a “first-look, first-shot, first-kill” advantage critical in modern aerial combat.

China Enters the Next Era of Naval Power as Reports Suggest J-35B EMALS Launch from Fujian

China’s Growing Fifth- and Sixth-Generation Fleet​

China already fields nearly 300 J-20 fifth-generation fighters and is developing newer sixth-generation jets, such as the Chengdu J-36 and Shenyang J-50, unveiled in December 2024. These advanced platforms incorporate AI, data fusion, and network-centric warfare technologies, reflecting China’s significant investment in next-generation air combat. Alongside these developments, the J-35 is being positioned not only as a stealth fighter for China’s aircraft carriers but also as an export-oriented platform, with Pakistan expected to be a major recipient. The inclusion of the J-35 in China’s broader airpower strategy underscores Beijing’s focus on saturating regional airspaces with low-observable, multirole fighters designed for contested environments.



The Global Sixth-Generation Fighter Race​

Globally, the race for sixth-generation fighters is intensifying. These platforms are expected to feature:

  • AI-assisted manned and optionally unmanned operations.
  • Modular designs for rapid upgrades.
  • Directed energy weapons and enhanced electronic warfare suites.
  • Integration with drone swarms and space assets.
  • Extreme network connectivity for battlefield dominance.
Prominent initiatives include the Franco-German-Italian Future Combat Air System (FCAS), the UK-Japan-Italy Global Combat Air Programme (GCAP), and the US Boeing F-47 NGAD. It is anticipated that these combatants will go into service in the 2030s and 2040s, respectively.

Russia’s Su-57 and India’s Options​

Russia’s Su-57, an operational fifth-generation fighter, represents another mature platform but with limited global presence. India originally participated in the Indo-Russian FGFA program but withdrew due to performance and cost issues. Currently, India continues to rely on the Su-30MKI and is pursuing the AMCA as its indigenous solution.


India’s Strategic Dilemma​

India faces a multi-front security challenge from China and Pakistan, both upgrading their air capabilities with fifth-generation stealth fighters. While India’s AMCA project represents a long-term solution, the interim period demands urgent attention. Options include:

  • Procuring an interim fifth-generation fighter from foreign partners.
  • Accelerating indigenous projects like the LCA Mk1A.
  • Joining international consortia to co-develop sixth-generation technology.
  • Increasing the fleet of advanced 4.5-generation aircraft to maintain operational readiness.
India’s Ministry of Defense has formed high-level committees to address these shortages and explore collaborative strategies.
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Check the jargon, on point!

Except the tech curve and providers either don't exist or exist in different environments. A people with complexes, that attach undue privilege and sanctity to platforms always learn the hard way.
Instead, my guess is they'll do what they can... and that is lower standards of pilots to get the numbers... as to the platforms any new induction is years down the road unless they stay committed to the French. For numbers on the local production they need GR engines and US may at its discretion twist arm to get F-35s through, piece of that pie.... Russians can simply not provide numbers at pace...

Can't get what isn't there... they have been found out and they can be cheeky about it ....
 
Mighty_Dragon_Strike said:
thats not China's fault.
interestingly, no ones is responsible for any thing in Pak.
Evry body just 'finds' new political party (a new titan) to support...
There are no titans in real worlds, only dark and bitter truths, whose magnitude is heavier then sun!
are you willing to die by sun's heat on saying the 'truth' or just want 'another titan' (for profiteering!)?!!!

time is getting closer!
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What are you talking about? Just tell me how you wanted to continue on CPEC infrastructure spending binge? That too in the middle of COVID crisis.

And if the scale back was such a bad decision, why hasn’t it been restarted at the same scale?
 
Mighty_Dragon_Strike said:
outcomes matter.... it seems your 'idol' cant even put a foot wrong, that is the problem..

re. source, I read Dawn, I am a Financial Engineer, I am trained to extract truth out of data. I can read waves, mean reversion, volatilities, auto-regressions, time variance etc etc..

I can tell when fridge is in cabinet, just by the first look and when glasses has a camera!!! If you are not mature enough, have some heart, show some deceny and put on some heavy counter narrative/outputs/outcomes.....

I am not a cartoon, I can read 'undeniable' truth!!
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I am not interested in your intellect or depth of knowledge. I did put few cursor but you choose to completely ignore them. Anyhow, don't want to prove anything to you and others here who bring political agenda in this discussion. All I wanted from you guys is take your verbal diarrhea and political shit to relevant forum. Leave this place for discussion on the topic at hand. Please.
 
Corax said:
Nope, complete cow dung. Commercial airlines fly through authorised airspace corridors of countries, and there doesn't necessarily need to be NOTAM in place to restrict airliners, for example, from flying over sensitive military sites, conflict zones, or even natural disasters such as volcanic eruptions. If you look at the air traffic data map, you can clearly see the indian military has imposed a clear no fly zone in large parts of indian airspace, and only allowed a narrow corridor for international airlines to fly over india into Pakistan. It appears the limit of that no fly zone is similar to the effective range of the PL15, coincidence?
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See this IndiGo flight’s route? It is flying from Mumbai to Amritsar. Look at its distance from the IB. Amritsar is so close to IB. Flights to other places near the western border have also operated normally.

All the major routes crossing between India and Pakistan are active. There are international flights right now crossing to either side at multiple locations.
 

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