Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[SoulSpokesman]

@mythbuster

von Blumfeld Pai,

What's the difference other than nomenclature ?

Price tag?

Regards

 

[Vkdindian1]

Agreed.

Can we agree that early on..., India did not accept losing any Jets either, even though in less than 48hrs wreckage of IAF was found scattered all over India.

How can you come to a conclusion that "Pakistan Strikes didn't make much of a mark."

Until your CDS had brought up losing jets in Singapore, there was no official confirmation.

I believe we made a compelling case of taking out 02 of your S-400's. Now wanting to believe that narrative is entirely up to you. Who is to say what all may be revealed in the not-so-distant future.

The loss of aircraft was known on day one and everyone knew about it. It was the question of accepting it officially.

In India, military follows the instructions of political bosses. Any acceptance of those losses would have looked bad for them at that stage, hence the denial. They also knew that it can’t be hidden forever. Only question was when to reveal it.

They needed a solid narrative before that. And that was causing adequate damage that side. That must have prompted full fledged drone strikes to degrade your radars and AD and then launch Brahmos all across to gain eyeballs. The idea to strike more number of bases with little damage then a few with debilitating damage was probably to signal repercussions if any more escalation takes place. This also looked good for narrative building - we can strike wherever we want.

How can you come to a conclusion that "Pakistan Strikes didn't make much of a mark."

There is no BDA to prove any damage whatsoever. MizarVision, a Chinese service provider has released pictures of your bases but not of India. ISPR must have obtained these and decided not to release them since there was nothing to show. Same ISPR and AVM had given a fantastic presentation with proof on shooting down IAF aircraft. Keeping quiet about success of ground strike was due to obvious reasons.

I believe we made a compelling case of taking out 02 of your S-400's.

There is no proof at all of success of that strike either. Even the ISPR didn’t push through about success of that attack. People are claiming tyre tracks as seen in satellite pictures, as proof of success of that strike.
S400 is a highly mobile system and also a very high value target. There is no chance that IAF would keep them deployed at any place for more than least possible time. Tyre marks are no indication of a successful attack. Some kind of crater and damaged equipment is the only way to prove it. CM400 carries more than 200KG of warhead and strikes at very high speed. There is bound to be massive blast and crater that can be picked up by satellites. Till that is proven, that strike can’t be called a success.

 

[mythbuster]

J-31 is a water down version of J-35A, I hope we will get the full version.

We ain't getting no watered down version..... it's not even debatable.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

The loss of aircraft was known on day one and everyone knew about it. It was the question of accepting it officially.

In India, military follows the instructions of political bosses. Any acceptance of those losses would have looked bad for them at that stage, hence the denial. They also knew that it can’t be hidden forever. Only question was when to reveal it.

They needed a solid narrative before that. And that was causing adequate damage that side. That must have prompted full fledged drone strikes to degrade your radars and AD and then launch Brahmos all across to gain eyeballs. The idea to strike more number of bases with little damage then a few with debilitating damage was probably to signal repercussions if any more escalation takes place. This also looked good for narrative building - we can strike wherever we want.

There is no BDA to prove any damage whatsoever. MizarVision, a Chinese service provider has released pictures of your bases but not of India. ISPR must have obtained these and decided not to release them since there was nothing to show. Same ISPR and AVM had given a fantastic presentation with proof on shooting down IAF aircraft. Keeping quiet about success of ground strike was due to obvious reasons.
There is no proof at all of success of that strike either. Even the ISPR didn’t push through about success of that attack. People are claiming tyre tracks as seen in satellite pictures, as proof of success of that strike.
S400 is a highly mobile system and also a very high value target. There is no chance that IAF would keep them deployed at any place for more than least possible time. Tyre marks are no indication of a successful attack. Some kind of crater and damaged equipment is the only way to prove it. CM400 carries more than 200KG of warhead and strikes at very high speed. There is bound to be massive blast and crater that can be picked up by satellites. Till that is proven, that strike can’t be called a success.

by the same logic, no AWACS were down on the PAF side, by your missile attacks, let alone claims made after more than 23 days!

 

[Trailer23]

S-400 was not damaged.

Oh no..., we never said 'Damaged'. Heaven forbid. Good Lord, No.

Naw..., we annihilated it. Look closely - & you'll possibly find a CM-400AKG stuck up an S-400 in Udhampur.

Kinda like how PL-15s' were up some Rafales, an Su-30MKi, a Mirage & a MiG-29. Tell me, what do you clowns do for an ENCORE? TEJAs ?!!

2 days back..., Indians all of a sudden woke up from their slumber after their CDS f#*ked up in Singapore & came up with - we shot down 6 Jets of PAF (and an AWAC). Acha. Proof... Nothing. Nada. Zilch.

Q. What kind of Missiles were used to shoot them down?
Indians: Ehhh, we'll get back to you on that after we descide which jet & wgich pilot shot them down.

Indians say bus batey choudwa lo. Its probably the reason why they're the joke 'round the Globe right now.

@Areesh @Windjammer

 

[mythbuster]

@mythbuster

von Blumfeld Pai,

What's the difference other than nomenclature ?

Price tag?

Regards

That would be nice.

 

[Areesh]

In India, military follows the instructions of political bosses. Any acceptance of those losses would have looked bad for them at that stage, hence the denial.

Just proves our belief that Indian military is unprofessional and is just a pawn for modi and his domestic politics

And that was causing adequate damage that side.

Potholes and damaging couple of sheds and hangers isn't "adequate damage" when you have wreckages of at least 4 of your own aircraft in front of the whole world

So with no adequate damage, can we say that your military failed twice while acting as a pawn for Modi?

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

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[Fatman17]

@veeru

Good point.

The IAF had been grounded.
S 400 had been destroyed.

If I had been the CAS of PAF, I would have been flying my jets all over Northern India. And accepted ceasefire only after rubbing it in for a day or 2.

Regards

You are right but as I said before we made a bad decision which saved your beloved IAF.

 

[Windjammer]

Oh no..., we never said 'Damaged'. Heaven forbid. Good Lord, No.

Naw..., we annihilated it. Look closely - & you'll possibly find a CM-400AKG stuck up an S-400 in Udhampur.

Kinda like how PL-15s' were up some Rafales, an Su-30MKi, a Mirage & a MiG-29. Tell me, what do you clowns do for an ENCORE? TEJAs ?!!

2 days back..., Indians all of a sudden woke up from their slumber after their CDS f#*ked up in Singapore & came up with - we shot down 6 Jets of PAF (and an AWAC). Acha. Proof... Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Lund.

Q. What kind of Missiles were used to shoot them down?
Indians: Ehhh, we'll get back to you on that after we descide which jet & wgich pilot shot them down.

Indians say bus batey choudwa lo. Its probably the reason why they're the joke 'round the Globe right now.

@Areesh @Windjammer

Bro no need to reply to every Indian who turns up on PDF straight from their scheming call centres.
This character @veeru allegedly only joined yesterday and since then he's been relentless in posting like a seasoned troll .
Most of these Indians deserve this T-shirt

 

[Fatman17]

The loss of aircraft was known on day one and everyone knew about it. It was the question of accepting it officially.

In India, military follows the instructions of political bosses. Any acceptance of those losses would have looked bad for them at that stage, hence the denial. They also knew that it can’t be hidden forever. Only question was when to reveal it.

They needed a solid narrative before that. And that was causing adequate damage that side. That must have prompted full fledged drone strikes to degrade your radars and AD and then launch Brahmos all across to gain eyeballs. The idea to strike more number of bases with little damage then a few with debilitating damage was probably to signal repercussions if any more escalation takes place. This also looked good for narrative building - we can strike wherever we want.

There is no BDA to prove any damage whatsoever. MizarVision, a Chinese service provider has released pictures of your bases but not of India. ISPR must have obtained these and decided not to release them since there was nothing to show. Same ISPR and AVM had given a fantastic presentation with proof on shooting down IAF aircraft. Keeping quiet about success of ground strike was due to obvious reasons.
There is no proof at all of success of that strike either. Even the ISPR didn’t push through about success of that attack. People are claiming tyre tracks as seen in satellite pictures, as proof of success of that strike.
S400 is a highly mobile system and also a very high value target. There is no chance that IAF would keep them deployed at any place for more than least possible time. Tyre marks are no indication of a successful attack. Some kind of crater and damaged equipment is the only way to prove it. CM400 carries more than 200KG of warhead and strikes at very high speed. There is bound to be massive blast and crater that can be picked up by satellites. Till that is proven, that strike can’t be called a success.

Whatever pleases you to have a good sleep.

 

[Vkdindian1]

But Pakistan couldn't publicly say that because the narrative would become 'Oh, so you are trading lives of 30+ Pakistani civilians for some Indian jets'. That was a hard sell and if you look into the posts between May 7 and May 10 in the first version of this thread on PDF then you'd see that most Pakistanis wanted to 'punish' India; there were very few exceptions to that narrative including me.

Very aptly put across.

The problem was pacifying the public. Shooting down of aircraft was a massive narrative that would have sufficed. However, the true sense of avenging death of so many people was to launch attacks across. Even if the professionals would have wanted a ceasefire they wouldn’t have a say due to overwhelming public sentiment.

Public has no idea that any such escalation may end up in a disadvantage or losses which mean nothing and give no gains.

 

[Trailer23]

Simple common-sense says if Pakistan was sure of damaging Indian S-400 AD battery, It would not have gone for a ceasefire on the same day.

Did I not respond to this b.s. theory of yours yesterday.

I suppose you were too much of a ***** to get back to me then.

What would damaging OR in our case destroying the S-400 have anything to do with the Ceasefire?

The Ceasefire was set at 16:30 (PST) & 17:00 at your end. Anything before that was Game. Perhaps you didn't get the Memo.

Oh & next time why don't you come here with the name you go by on and not some weak one like @veeru.

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[Areesh]

@Vkdindian1

Since you have accepted that your military tried to hide crashes because it would make their political boss look bad

Then your military surely tried to hide these poor guys and their sacrifices for India too since it far easier to hide them as compared to crashes

 

[Starlord]

As per Indians HQ9 failed - But still we have pictures and videos of Scalp and Brahmos getting destroyed before hitting the target

As per Indians S400 100% succeeded - But still we are yet to see any picture or video of confirm successful interception of Fatah 1 or CM400 AKG

bhai aap kahan is brain dead nations se logic expect ker rahe hai ? If you try you can teach a jackass ABCD but expecting logic from a P@jeet is impossible.