Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[NationalistPKDude132]

India plans to block the Malacca strait. China faces existential threat from India. From Tibetan government in exile to Taiwan being offered Indian missile systems.



I don't know the Islamic treatment for women POWs. When in doubt, just eliminate.

Its in indias best interest to not try to do panga with china.
Anyone who thinks india will beat china in a conflict is deluding themselves.

 

[Vapnope]

Losing five aircraft just to hit civilians and failing to shoot down even a single enemy aircraft in all four days

And there people in India who think this is success

Indian objective since 2016 has been to deter Pakistan for "supporting insurgency" in IOK. The success of their policy can only be guaged by looking at Pakistan's response.

Leave aside what was shot down or what place was hit, Indians should ask their leadership if Pakistan has been deterred after all those operations and diplomatic offensive or Pakistan is gradually increasing the intensity of her response?

I think anyone rationally looking at this will understand that Pakistan is becoming more bold with everyday and Indian threat is not working. So who is winning or losing is clearly visible !

 

[Meengla]

I would suggest two interviews to Indians and Pakistanis,
-Ejaz Haider interview on STH english
- Sushant Singh interview with Karan Thappar.

Both said the same thing that is both sides couldn't deter each other and this means both will come back to fight again.

The bottom line is that this can't be a solution going forward.

Between the April 22 attack in Pahalgam and the May 7 skirmish, a retired Indian General Mr. Panag had already said that Pakistan would not be deterred by any Indian attack on Pakistan. And since the May 10 conflict, Pakistan is only emboldened to take to the next level. This is not bravado. It is because Pakistanis have realized that India, under Modi, has designs larger than occupying Kashmir as a real estate: India wants to threaten Pakistan's very existence by using water as a weapon.
Any country which uses water as weapon, whether China against India, or Pakistan against Afghanistan, or India against Pakistan... that's the worst form of terrorism. Pakistan could block water into Afghanistan but Pakistan doesn't even mention that because Pakistan is not a low morality country.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

I wouldn't gloat too much about successful BrahMos strikes on Pakistan: India has the advantages of numbers, Pakistan's geography is narrow and Pakistani assets are too close to Indian border. If Iranian missiles could travel so far to Israel, passing through a gauntlet of America+Israeli+NATO (and sometimes Arab!) air defense systems then India had to achieve some success in striking Pakistan. I don't think there is ANY air defense system in the world which would have been totally effective given the war theater.
I think Pakistan is going to counter India by launching massive volleys of Pakistani missiles next time and not even 1000 of India's 400 systems would be able to stop them.

Sanghis think next time Pakistan will continue to fire Fatah rockets in response to cruise missiles, this is the level of delusions. But their army know what is the situation on the ground.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Out of curiosity , I heard India has a plane called Teja has anyone seen it recently ? seems to be always missing in action

Sari Mar , Sukhoi aur Rafale ko Par rahi hai


This Teja plane , is it actually flying ?


Where are these Teja planes stationed in ?

 

[El Sidd]

Its in indias best interest to not try to do panga with china.
Anyone who thinks india will beat china in a conflict is deluding themselves.

Invent a time machine and go back to 1961. Easy peasy

 

[NationalistPKDude132]

Between the April 22 attack in Pahalgam and the May 7 skirmish, a retired Indian General Mr. Panag had already said that Pakistan would not be deterred by any Indian attack on Pakistan. And since the May 10 conflict, Pakistan is only emboldened to take to the next level. This is not bravado. It is because Pakistanis have realized that India, under Modi, has designs larger than occupying Kashmir as a real estate: India wants to threaten Pakistan's very existence by using water as a weapon.
Any country which uses water as weapon, whether China against India, or Pakistan against Afghanistan, or India against Pakistan... that's the worst form of terrorism. Pakistan could block water into Afghanistan but Pakistan doesn't even mention that because Pakistan is not a low morality country.

No it is more so because we were pissed off
A child died. Several children died on Pakistani Soil, we were pissed and very pissed infact and it also gave us an advantage.

RIP to those children they died as martyrs

 

[Areesh]

I see a real risk of these blind, illogical war mongering egomaniacs pushing the entire South Asia towards a nuclear catastrophe.

Yup

When a military works to not to defend the country but to defend image and narrative of a politician who is also famous for mass murder of his own people then we can expect anything in such a situation

 

[Vkdindian1]

Does this look hardened to you??

The claim of hardened target was heat of the moment claim.
I was expecting a riposte from one of the mods over it.
No hardened building was hit. There is no such proof.

One fuel bowser was probably the only damage at Nur Khan. There is no proof of any other damage that has come out.

 

[NationalistPKDude132]

Out of curiosity , I heard India has a plane called Teja has anyone seen it recently ? seems to be always missing in action

Because its a 3rd generation plane

It was inaugurated way to late. Now the same seems to be going with AMCA Project. Being inaugurated way to late and a waste of resource

 

[NationalistPKDude132]

The claim of hardened target was heat of the moment claim.
I was expecting a riposte from one of the mods over it.
No hardened building was hit. There is no such proof.

One fuel bowser was probably the only damage at Nur Khan. There is no proof of any other damage that has come out.

Actually there was only damage to the cross section. Nothing else.

 

[Vapnope]

Between the April 22 attack in Pahalgam and the May 7 skirmish, a retired Indian General Mr. Panag had already said that Pakistan would not be deterred by any Indian attack on Pakistan. And since the May 10 conflict, Pakistan is only emboldened to take to the next level. This is not bravado. It is because Pakistanis have realized that India, under Modi, has designs larger than occupying Kashmir as a real estate: India wants to threaten Pakistan's very existence by using water as a weapon.
Any country which uses water as weapon, whether China against India, or Pakistan against Afghanistan, or India against Pakistan... that's the worst form of terrorism. Pakistan could block water into Afghanistan but Pakistan doesn't even mention that because Pakistan is not a low morality country.

Interestingly lt Gen Hooda also tried to tell Indian audience in a toned down voice that we should not expect Pakistan to not hit back and this isn't going to be walkover but look at what Indian side has done.

 

[Mr X]

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[Windjammer]

Intially after complete denial then moving onto losses are expected in a battle and then it's not important to what we lost but why we lost it to we are rich thus can afford to replace losses.... when all these narratives failed to convince ...
The Internet Bakhtoras have been assigned a new escape, where are the proofs , even though all the aircraft fell on Indian side ... losing that argument,, here's a list and extra 50 Rupees to try and save face with claims of destroying XYZ of PAF.
Any wonder PAF keeps springing surprises on this gullible nation.

 

[Oscar]

The claim of hardened target was heat of the moment claim.
I was expecting a riposte from one of the mods over it.
No hardened building was hit. There is no such proof.

One fuel bowser was probably the only damage at Nur Khan. There is no proof of any other damage that has come out.

I think you and I are having a different conversation versus everyone else in the room.

There are losses - some more “severe” in operational terms than others on the Pakistani side. But the intent was to cause true damage which was not achieved.

The biggest aspect will be accountability for these actions on both sides and lessons learned.

My overall conclusion to all of this - losses aside for whom and what - is that internally Pakistani “system” (not the state) gained more than the current BJP led “system”.