Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Jinn Baba]

That is clearly a Saturn AL-31FP - commonly used on Su-30s'.

The MiG-29 uses smaller Klimov RD-33 engines. The MiG-29 crash is documented along with its Ejection Seat. but in another location.

I thought so to, but then I saw this image on twitter and now I have to admit - it does look like a RD33 (Mig29).

I reverse searched the engine image:

 

[Blain2]

53:00 = If the Pakistanis actually had full air dominance, they really didn't take advantage of the situation because if the other side is not intercepting your aircraft, at minimum you should fire them from your own side of the border. If the Pakistanis only had one JF 17 shooting at the S 400, you would expect there to have more damage if you are making an actual concerted effort to damage the Indian side. Either the Pakistanis missed an opportunity or they were not just confidence enough in their ability to penetrate the Indian air defense, protected by the S 400.

What is missed by all these "experts" is that Pakistan was also managing the escalation ladder. Not India, nor Pakistan wanted a full-scale conflagration despite all the big talk by that bastard across the border. On the first day when Pakistan took down 6 IAF fighters, Pakistan was already in a position of strength while flying DCAO. Pressing on heavier attacks in subsequent days was going to do what? It would have forced India to go up the escalation rung (as would Pakistan if put in a disadvantageous situation).

 

[Watandar]

I am trying to get to facts and stay away from conjecture. Fanboys here are talking as if Paf completely dominated. Indians are claiming they brought Paf to knees. The truth is somewhere in between. Unfortunately post may 7, PAF was not very active. We know now that sargodha was destroyed from a Brahmos launched by Su30 so Paf did not threaten the Iaf on May 10…they stayed away and were trying to preserve against damage from the brahmos. I think Paf was scared of s400 so did not challenge the su30 launched brahmos. I think unfortunately that was failure. Sargodha is our crown jewel and Paf let Iaf breech and damage runway. This is significant because Iaf could not touch sargodha in 65 and 71. Paf should have challenged these aircraft and chased them deep into India with their radar jammers on and armed to teeth with pl15s but Paf stayed quiet. Thst think was failure ..they let indians breach sargodha which is a huge psychological victory. Why didn’t Paf launch Feb 2019 style attacks in Indian locations? Why is no one here asking these questions to our air chief and the god damned field Marshall

Sargodha was destroyed ? Like Karachi and Lahore were destroyed and Asim Munir was put under arrest and Shahbaz Sharif fled the country ? Stop listening to Indian media.

 

[side-winder]

I am trying to get to facts and stay away from conjecture. Fanboys here are talking as if Paf completely dominated. Indians are claiming they brought Paf to knees. The truth is somewhere in between. Unfortunately post may 7, PAF was not very active. We know now that sargodha was destroyed from a Brahmos launched by Su30 so Paf did not threaten the Iaf on May 10…they stayed away and were trying to preserve against damage from the brahmos. I think Paf was scared of s400 so did not challenge the su30 launched brahmos. I think unfortunately that was failure. Sargodha is our crown jewel and Paf let Iaf breech and damage runway. This is significant because Iaf could not touch sargodha in 65 and 71. Paf should have challenged these aircraft and chased them deep into India with their radar jammers on and armed to teeth with pl15s but Paf stayed quiet. Thst think was failure ..they let indians breach sargodha which is a huge psychological victory. Why didn’t Paf launch Feb 2019 style attacks in Indian locations? Why is no one here asking these questions to our air chief and the god damned field Marshall

No Su 30 launched any BrahMos on Sargodha. It was SSM BrahMos. I can say that with certainty.

 

[TAC]

I am trying to get to facts and stay away from conjecture. Fanboys here are talking as if Paf completely dominated. Indians are claiming they brought Paf to knees. The truth is somewhere in between. Unfortunately post may 7, PAF was not very active. We know now that sargodha was destroyed from a Brahmos launched by Su30 so Paf did not threaten the Iaf on May 10…they stayed away and were trying to preserve against damage from the brahmos. I think Paf was scared of s400 so did not challenge the su30 launched brahmos. I think unfortunately that was failure. Sargodha is our crown jewel and Paf let Iaf breech and damage runway. This is significant because Iaf could not touch sargodha in 65 and 71. Paf should have challenged these aircraft and chased them deep into India with their radar jammers on and armed to teeth with pl15s but Paf stayed quiet. Thst think was failure ..they let indians breach sargodha which is a huge psychological victory. Why didn’t Paf launch Feb 2019 style attacks in Indian locations? Why is no one here asking these questions to our air chief and the god damned field Marshall

This forum is beset with desperate Indians trying every pathetic trick in the book to cope with their utter humiliation and some how change the reality of the merciless beating they got. I can understand the pain, 6-0 including mighty Ra-fails. JF-17 shooting down jets while Tejas was nowhere to be seen. Would you still be trying to ‘get to the facts and stay away from conjecture’ if it was India that had downed 6 PAF jets, at least one of them with the Tejas? Pathetic Indian go do your coping somewhere else.

 

[Trailer23]

We know now that sargodha was destroyed from a Brahmos launched by Su30 so Paf did not threaten the Iaf on May 10…they stayed away and were trying to preserve against damage from the brahmos.

What planet are you from (exactly)?

Could you kindly share 1 Satallite image that may show that Sargodha was "Destroyed". Oh & last I checked, it was called: PAF Base Mushaf

There was a tiny crater on the side of the Runway. It was repaired in a couple of Hours and certaily not unusable in the event of further escalation. Trust me when I say, "I would know". You said it yourself that the Runway was damaged.

And where exactly did you come to a conclusion that we were afraid of the mighty S-400? استخارة

The same S-400 that we blew to kingdom come.

You seem to have an issue with the current Field Marshal, right...? I'm sure in your mind if handsome Imran Khan would have been around he'd take an F-16 & show how its done.

Man, get a f#*kin' life.

 

[Vox Non Dei]

He died while operating this S-400 electrical device.

View attachment 125637

Indeed. Here is S-400 involved in the accident. This version uses Electrical drives instead of pneumatic ones.


He died trying to connect the plugs in the bottom.

 

[Trailer23]

He died trying to connect the plugs in the bottom.

Well, he wouldn't be the first Indian who couldn't find the hole.

 

[koolio]

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[Goenitz]

Did you guys see how Vikrant floats, jumps vertically upon every wave?

That would create more than usual sonar activity for us.

any (Chinese) SAR satellite can detect a large vessel over water long before SONAR can come into play.

 

[Goenitz]

GODZILLA IS DOWN! India-Pakistan Clash and Chinese Military Technology with TP Huang — #87

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So Pak couldn't lock J16 for a 1-2 day exercise.

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[Liquidator]

Did you guys see how Vikrant floats, jumps vertically upon every wave?

That would create more than usual sonar activity for us.

This is on purpose saar

It is designed to jump and crash to give large acoustic signature. This will scare the enemy submarines because it will appear very large and intimidating.

 

[Corax]

PAF had achieved complete air superiority on both sides of the border on may 7. It could have breeched the border (or come close to it) with full radar jamming to disorient Indian radars and taken the battle to the Su30 bases deep in India and launched A-G weapons similar to what they did on FEb 2019. Even if they didnt breech the border, why didnt they attack the Indian bases near the border such as Pathankot and Halwara and Adampur using SOW from the Pakistan side....these IAF bases were sitting ducks for PAF as PAF could have imposed a NFZ on the western air command of IAF. My only hypothesis was that PAF was scared shit of the S400 and that is why it did not want to go anywhere close to the border to lob A-G weapons

You have asked some tough questions and likely to be answered with insults by fanboys.

Unlike the claims made, the threat of S400 did have impact on PAF operations and they weren’t as free to operate as claimed by many.
Pathankot base is just few kilometres from the IB and could have been easily engaged by standoff weapons from deep inside Pakistan.
But it wasn’t attempted, most likely due to S400 threat.
There are also many claims that S400 was destroyed by PAF. If PAF was so sure of the success of its destruction then why didn’t it use that opportunity to strike Indian bases?

These are some questions that have remained unanswered and I see no effort to discuss them either.

Seems like indians having fantasies about S400 again. If you believe the S400 was the panacea that it was meant to be, and all the claims of "grounding the PAF" and establishing a "no fly zone in Pakistan", how come the PAF were able to obliterate the IAF on the night of the 7th? Why wasn't your mighty airforce able to operate under the protection of the S400 with its much vaunted 400km range? I mean, wouldn't that have allowed the IAF to operate with impunity right up to the border with Pakistan? Is this the "tactical mistake" your CDS was referring to?


Clearly the PAF deployed SEAD measures to negate your S400 on the night of the 7th. Your IAF was grounded for two days scratching their arses to figure out what to do, and the best they came up with is to fly outside of the envelope of the PL15, firing a few token Scalps and maybe brahmos, most of which appear to have been either defeated by soft kill or intercepted with hard kill measures.

The failure from the Pakistani side is that they also waited too long, two days too, before launching their response. And when they did, they specifically targeted your S400 again. It may be debatable whether they actually managed a DEAD mission, but they definitely succeeded in SEAD, as your S400s were forced to shut down, redeploy, or go into storage...i.e. chicken out and hide. And then the ceasefire came.

 

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