Pakistan has a Problem | Quwa Group - My Counter Thoughts

[guangdongt]

If a mosque serves solely as a place of worship, it is a civilian infrastructure. However, if that same mosque provides shelter to individuals like Masood Azhar, Hafiz Saeed, and other militants, it becomes a legitimate military target. Not to mention Markaz ShubanAllah was funded by Osama Bin Laden.

I understand now. The next time any of your religious sites are attacked, the other party will first issue a notice: this Indian religious site harbors terrorists and needs to be eliminated. Then the intelligence of people all over the world was forced to drop to 0 and accepted the announcement.

 

[veeru]

Why wouldnt they? There was little to no AD activity on Day 1?


1- losses are normal and factored in, its expected and its nothing surprising. Perhaps just a lesson on humility above all else
2- the IAF leadership is possibly the most incompetent, moronic group of people to exist if they sent their men into battle to die. All of them should be fired and in a cell if they sent their men on a suicide mission with this breakdown in c&c.


i can tell you which option is the better and more logical one...

1. It was a politician decision to have that RoE for diplomatic reasons to come across as victim of terror and not war monger.

2. It was a politician decision keep the losses in warps and call it a day with hitting those 9 non-military sites.

3. Of course RoE changed after PAf attack. But hitting Nur Khan was It was a politician decision after Pakistan fired Fateh-2s over Haryana.

 

[maverick]

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I have listened to this podcast
It was very well laid out and thought provoking in nature.Thanks to Quwa for this master piece.

But I have some concerns.
1- China doesn't face brahmos threat but in reality China is actually facing Brahmos from now.Philipines is becoming active ground against China
US has deployed serious missile systems + now they are putting up Brahmos also for rapid forward response.
So China is also facing Brahmos in at least naval domain and in future, Hypersonic Cruise Missiles are also coming to South China Sea via Japan, Australia and co with US partnership.
So threat environment for China is rapidly taking new dimension significantly similar to that of Pak.

2- Countering Brahmos with Hypersonic Ballistics is no go. I don't agree with this.
I already pointed this out in argument with @Rationalist that Pak should not go back to SCM tech but pursue a ballistic based Hypersonic.Who introruced the Supersonic threshold in subcontinent? It was india and now there are going for ballistic based Hypersonic anti ship weapons that will also see versatile use
So pak going for ballistic based Hypersonics for conventional use is not really nuclear escalation and makes sense to prepare for next round.
Even Russians are using Hypersonic Aero ballistic missiles like Kinzhal in real combat .

So these were two points where i disagree with Asim & @arslank01

How many Brahamos and how many are made every year, whats the solution

 

[falcon34]

"if launched in volume"
we dont have volume!
"Sarkash and blaze"
These are concepts on paper that dont exist yet sadly

We do even if 100-150 are being produced early, it's been 20 yrs. Volume does exist especially for cruise missiles, ballistic missiles I don't think so but certainly there is for Babur and Raad, GHQ ain't that dumb bro.
@Panzerkiel

 

[Zorawar Light Tank]

I understand now. The next time any of your religious sites are attacked, the other party will first issue a notice: this Indian religious site harbors terrorists and needs to be eliminated. Then the intelligence of people all over the world was forced to drop to 0 and accepted the announcement.

United States has been conducting drone strikes in Pakistan for decades, even killing Osama Bin Laden in Abbottabad—yet Pakistan never declared war on the U.S. So why can’t a similar understanding exist between India and Pakistan? If India has credible evidence of terrorist infrastructure on Pakistani soil, it should have the right to neutralize those threats, just as the U.S. has done.

 

[falcon34]

How many Brahamos and how many are made every year, whats the solution

Solution Triple the production of Babur, Raad.
Induct Sarkash, Blaze in insane volume. Barhamos is quite expensive $5-6 mil, a thousand maybe less.

 

[Dalit]

@alphapak

Pakistan has Babur cruise missiles, but they did not use them.

Why not?

Regards

When the time is right.

 

[Ak01]

We do even if 100-150 are being produced early, it's been 20 yrs. Volume does exist especially for cruise missiles, ballistic missiles I don't think so but certainly there is for Babur and Raad, GHQ ain't that dumb bro.
@Panzerkiel

GHQ is not dumb, but it is limited by sanctions and the all important dolla.

 

[Ak01]

1. It was a politician decision to have that RoE for diplomatic reasons to come across as victim of terror and not war monger.

2. It was a politician decision keep the losses in warps and call it a day with hitting those 9 non-military sites.

3. Of course RoE changed after PAf attack. But hitting Nur Khan was It was a politician decision after Pakistan fired Fateh-2s over Haryana.

But this is amazing, because not one Indian official has mentioned RoE... Did you read their minds?

Not a single Fatah 2 was used.

 

[Dalit]

United States has been conducting drone strikes in Pakistan for decades, even killing Osama Bin Laden in Abbottabad—yet Pakistan never declared war on the U.S. So why can’t a similar understanding exist between India and Pakistan? If India has credible evidence of terrorist infrastructure on Pakistani soil, it should have the right to neutralize those threats, just as the U.S. has done.

Pakistan knows for a fact that Hindutva terror infrastructure exists in India. Of course Pakistan is going to go after RSS terror supporters.

 

[Zorawar Light Tank]

We do even if 100-150 are being produced early, it's been 20 yrs. Volume does exist especially for cruise missiles, ballistic missiles I don't think so but certainly there is for Babur and Raad, GHQ ain't that dumb bro.
@Panzerkiel

Pakistan did launch several nuclear-capable ballistic and cruise missiles, but all of them were flawlessly intercepted by India’s air defense system. The global praise for India’s air defense isn’t without reason—it is a highly refined system, deeply integrated into the country’s network-centric warfare ecosystem.

 

[Ak01]

We do even if 100-150 are being produced early, it's been 20 yrs. Volume does exist especially for cruise missiles, ballistic missiles I don't think so but certainly there is for Babur and Raad, GHQ ain't that dumb bro.
@Panzerkiel

100-150 yearly is ALOT. Thats what India ramped BrahMos numbers up to only the last few years.

Id put the estimates more at low double digits- IF THAT

 

[Ak01]

Pakistan did launch several nuclear-capable ballistic and cruise missiles, but all of them were flawlessly intercepted by India’s air defense system. The global praise for India’s air defense isn’t without reason—it is a highly refined system, deeply integrated into the country’s network-centric warfare ecosystem.

Where are the missile wrecks?

 

[veeru]

This is the same type of retard cope like Pakistanis who pretend the BrahMos is a flying chicken that can do no damage.

1. Your airforce is pathetic if it can't carry out simple strikes against non-military targets near the border without doing a SEAD campaign even despite possessing SOW and other advanced tech.

2. Ground based air defence systems had little to do with your airforce humiliation anyway, it was airborne assets that simply outclassed your air force.

It's why you sat down for 2 days like little bitches silent on your losses and then went on a BrahMos firing spree, which was your only option at saving face. You are basically implying the Indian Air Force is incapable of carrying out any mission like a competent force the moment it faces any mild resistance by an opposing force. It's a more embarrassing excuse than admitting your failures.

1. Bawagalpur is 150km from Indian border.

2. Activation of ADs meant, your AWACS would have go beyond 200km behind because of S-400 and not able to give accurate radar pictures to PAF jets which had shut down their radars.

3. They would have sat down for 5 day or nine days or ever had there been no Fateh missile attack on India.

 

[Dalit]

Pakistan did launch several nuclear-capable ballistic and cruise missiles, but all of them were flawlessly intercepted by India’s air defense system. The global praise for India’s air defense isn’t without reason—it is a highly refined system, deeply integrated into the country’s network-centric warfare ecosystem.

Absolutely wrong. Pakistan didn't launch anything except Fatah 1. You are wrong on many accounts, but you RSS Hindutva are always wrong.

It is funny though how you lot went from Su-30 MKI to Rafale and now BrahMos. Have you lost faith in IAF?