‘Analytical mistake to see Pakistan-Turkey relationship as a case of assistance’,warns Ilya Roubanis - ThePrint Uninterrupted

[PakistanLVR]

Ilya Roubanis is a non-resident fellow of the Institute of International Relations in Athens. In an exclusive conversation with ThePrint Consulting Editor Swasti Rao, Roubanis discusses Turkish military support to Pakistan, 5th generation Kaan project, the China factor in Ankara - Islamabad equation & relationship between Turkey, China and the Gulf. - YouTube Comment.

I watched this whole interview and I have to say that I was correct in my assessment that every Indian is slight degree full supportative of the Right Wing Hindutva Nationalist politically.

This interview was conducted by the "The Print" a more "moderate" Indian news media-house, but the host in their typical Indian manner conducted the interview implicit confirmation biases that Ilya Roubanis skillfully sidestepped and corrected the host, Swasti Rao.

My own key takeaways from this interview:

• The Indian host, Swasti Rao the kept interjecting and rudely interrupting Ilya Roubanis
• Acted shocked when Iiya mentioned that Pakistan has sent 150 engineers to the Kaan project and isn't just there with their "hands open."
• The Indian host snidely claimed that Pakistan is the epicenter of Global terrorism (LOL).
• The Indian host repeatedly kept bringing up the OP Sindoor. It felt like a drinking game in college whenever you hear a certain word, you take a shot etc.
• the Indian host claims that for India, UAE is very important- the guest, IIya added that for UAE, India is also very important (thereby implying don't think of yourself as high and mighty).
• The Indian host was shocked when the guest mentioned the quality of Pakistanis from the Pilots in the Gulf Airforces to their understanding of the Chinese military doctrine and experiences.
• The Indian host tried to claim that Turkey will sell their S400 to Pakistan, at which point the guest said that likely will not since Pakistan's doctrine is different from the S400 can and will bring.
• The Indian host would repeatedly ask “innocent” questions but it was obviously to the Greek guest that there was an agenda.
• The Indian host either genuinely doesn't know anything about Pakistan and clearly believes in the BJP/Bollywood propaganda that Pakistan is a backward, broke nation and can be easily pushed around.
• She was acting and playing mind games with the gentleman trying to present an image of a Pakistan that supports terrorism and is backwards.
• Tried to brag about downing Turkish drones to the Guest.

Overall, the Greek guest was very knowleadage about Pakistan and the Indian Host was incredibly rude.

One of the more insightful comments on this video:
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The host is surprised by basic facts about pakistan capability. This just shows Indian arrogance and denial. Putting your fingers in your ears and going lalalala at the mention of pakistan is not a military strategy. This is precisely what gets you disgraced on the battlefield when your whole fleet of fighter jets has to be grounded for 2 days in a four day clash. As ou try and figure out what went wrong.And then interrupting the guest by saying childish things like … we downed their Turkish drones just shows your level. Of seriousness and lack of sincerity and your basic desperation. lol, drones are not fighter jets. It is assumed they will get shot down. Their purpose is different to a …. Emmm… Rafael? Lol"

 

[Jinn Baba]

I watched this yesterday - and I just can't take any Indian content anymore. These people are beyond idiotic.

But - I did catch the part about Pak engineers and their involvement in KAAN, and Turkish engineers in Pak working on various projects. The guy being interviewed was actually quite full of praise towards PAF.

Some Pakistani needs to interview this guy and let him actually share more information.

 

[maverick]

I watched this yesterday - and I just can't take any Indian content anymore. These people are beyond idiotic.

But - I did catch the part about Pak engineers and their involvement in KAAN, and Turkish engineers in Pak working on various projects. The guy being interviewed was actually quite full of praise towards PAF.

Some Pakistani needs to interview this guy and let him actually share more information.

life is precious and to have these idiot indian hosts, is waste of precious life … let these zionists Hinduvta life in alternative reality, just like pagans of mecca

 

[gangsta_rap]

The Indian host snidely claimed that Pakistan is the epicenter of Global terrorism (LOL).

Even western countries at this point want to simply forget about the GWOT ever happening - so its kinda inconvenient for them that India keeps trying to raise it up again

 

[Fatman17]

Greeks and Turks don't mix too well. Same for Indians and Pakistanis. Take this with a big grain of potohar pink salt.

 

[FuturePAF]

I watched this yesterday - and I just can't take any Indian content anymore. These people are beyond idiotic.

But - I did catch the part about Pak engineers and their involvement in KAAN, and Turkish engineers in Pak working on various projects. The guy being interviewed was actually quite full of praise towards PAF.

Some Pakistani needs to interview this guy and let him actually share more information.

If a Pakistani does interview him, instead of us asking for what we did right, we should ask where we could have done better. List our vulnerabilities that are self evident to him and strengths of the Indians which we need to be mindful of. Finally end on Indians vulnerabilities, which are not obvious. Make it a discussion that pushes us to think deeper on the matter from an outside perspective. One that isn’t interested in selling us arms and just respects the professionalism of our military in battle.

 

[Developereo]

This interview was conducted by the "The Print" a more "moderate" Indian news media-house,

ThePrint used to be tolerable many years ago but the Indian public's demand for anti-Pakistan tabloid jingoism is so strong that it has turned into a tabloid rag to keep an audience.

 

[Jinn Baba]

If a Pakistani does interview him, instead of us asking for what we did right, we should ask where we could have done better. List our vulnerabilities that are self evident to him and strengths of the Indians which we need to be mindful of. Finally end on Indians vulnerabilities, which are not obvious. Make it a discussion that pushes us to think deeper on the matter from an outside perspective. One that isn’t interested in selling us arms and just respects the professionalism of our military in battle.

Agreed. That should be the focus.

But could also get a few more goodie details of projects Pak and Turkey are working on. I have a feeling that the Turks in Pak will be assisting on the next JF17, probably FAAZ, probably local EW or jammers, may be even more.

And Pak engineers in Turkey are getting some invaluable experience with KAAN! They will return - like they did from China after JF17 - and their experience will seriously help local developments in future.

 

[PakistanLVR]

Greeks and Turks don't mix too well. Same for Indians and Pakistanis. Take this with a big grain of potohar pink salt.

Hi, you didn't watch the video. It's nothing like that. The Greek expert was very respectful and knowledgeable about Turkey and Pakistan. He didn't take shots at either. The Greeks aren't like that. Only the Indians display those women characteristics of making silly questions like a neighborhood women scorn and upset that her man left her. The Indian host was despicable, but that's par for the course for them. They are truly the worst group of people I have ever met in all my travels in my 60 years.

 

[mythbuster]

Greeks and Turks don't mix too well. Same for Indians and Pakistanis. Take this with a big grain of potohar pink salt.

Despite that Greek guy was able to give a balanced analysis...... thanks for your two cents .

 

[Master Chief]

ThePrint used to be tolerable many years ago but the Indian public's demand for anti-Pakistan tabloid jingoism is so strong that it has turned into a tabloid rag to keep an audience.

This is exactly the problem. The once "moderates" have been absorbed by the delusion emitting echo chamber.

 

[Fatman17]

Despite that Greek guy was able to give a balanced analysis...... thanks for your two cents .

Actually it was 3 cents

 

[Master Chief]

Greeks come across generally rational and logical as a nation. The ones I know, who happen to be some of the most professional individuals I have worked with by the way, use logic and rational processes to guide their personal opinions, even regarding their old enemy, Turkey. This is probably because they don't live in a media controlled state, and hence they are given the freedom to think as they please.

I don't think Pakistanis or Indians should try too hard to read anything into Greek ruminations regarding our nations through the specific lens of a projected Turkey-Greece conflict. This reductionism has been turned into an art form by Delhi, where Turkey and Azerbaijan are suddenly public enemy no. 1 while Armenia and Greece are somehow their allies since time immemorial.

Regarding the interview itself, the problem faced by Indian journos or indeed the general Indian citizen who now ventures forth from the BJP-crafted echo chamber, is that essentially, the narrative that has created loyal cadres of brainwashed saffron voters simply does not hold up to objective scrutiny.

This is why these Indian journos and citizens are in a state of genuine shock when rational 3rd parties suggest that actually, Pakistan is not some Bollywood "hello janab" caricature or cartoon villain, but is a formidable nation state that has always acted rationally towards a much larger and more populous nation to its immediate east whose state policies create a default existential threat to it.

We have to have nuclear weapons. We have to have a strong military. We citizens have to exist within the tenets of faith, unity, discipline as our prime directives. We do all this to survive and it is perfectly rational.

Indians can scream "terrorists!" at us, they can scream at Trump, they can scream at neutral parties all they like but the cold hard facts suggest that their screaming is fundamentally misinformed, as well as pointless.

 

[mythbuster]

Greeks come across generally rational and logical as a nation. The ones I know, who happen to be some of the most professional individuals I have worked with by the way, use logic and rational processes to guide their personal opinions, even regarding their old enemy, Turkey. This is probably because they don't live in a media controlled state, and hence they are given the freedom to think as they please.

I don't think Pakistanis or Indians should try too hard to read anything into Greek ruminations regarding our nations through the specific lens of a projected Turkey-Greece conflict. This reductionism has been turned into an art form by Delhi, where Turkey and Azerbaijan are suddenly public enemy no. 1 while Armenia and Greece are somehow their allies since time immemorial.

Regarding the interview itself, the problem faced by Indian journos or indeed the general Indian citizen who now ventures forth from the BJP-crafted echo chamber, is that essentially, the narrative that has created loyal cadres of brainwashed saffron voters simply does not hold up to objective scrutiny.

This is why these Indian journos and citizens are in a state of genuine shock when rational 3rd parties suggest that actually, Pakistan is not some Bollywood "hello janab" caricature or cartoon villain, but is a formidable nation state that has always acted rationally towards a much larger and more populous nation to its immediate east whose state policies create a default existential threat to it.

We have to have nuclear weapons. We have to have a strong military. We citizens have to exist within the tenets of faith, unity, discipline as our prime directives. We do all this to survive and it is perfectly rational.

Indians can scream "terrorists!" at us, they can scream at Trump, they can scream at neutral parties all they like but the cold hard facts suggest that their screaming is fundamentally misinformed, as well as pointless.

Greece is the mother civilization of the west and to a certain extent mother civilization of modern world.. . Logic and reasoning is part and parcel of their DNA .

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

That sanghi host was byond stupid. Couldn't take praise of Pakistan from a Greek.

@Foinikas Ilya Roubanis saying Greece lost Rafale to not humiliate Indian lady is funny lmao