Nationwide Encounters: Surge of Chinese citizens illegally crossing the US border. Monthly tally thread - Updates and Discussion

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Well I have been watching vlogs of people visiting China , they all claim China's cities , infrastructure and day to day tech is just 5-10 years more advance then rest of world

Westerners who have dual residency in China or have family

And I had to agree I watched the videos of China every thing look so much advance

>Buses
>Phones
>Roads
>Planes (brand new)
>Hotels big hotels Turmp knows it , he has quite a few as well
>Magnificent bridges
>Farming in Desert to change deserts back to forest
>Electronics
>Amazing citizes
>Amazing natural stunning scenery


I agree 100% not all of China is posh and rich but they work hard


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Then I read a story in newspaper in USA, Chinese student detained because custom found "fungus" in bag, but fungus is naturally occurring mold. The student was coming to USA for Master graduate studies (Masters mean they were very educated and talented, you need 85% marks or 90% marks to get into Masters )

If bag was kept in damp location a tiny bit can exist in bag. Example if you left a apple or fruit in bag forgot about it , later threw out the fruit but may be some fungus was in bag

The newspaper showed image it was like tiny little bit of dirt in plastic bag

So I am just a bit shocked at observing the two side of coins

Just these kind of story sound odd and strange

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Well I have been watching vlogs of people visiting China , they all claim China's cities , infrastructure and day to day tech is just 5-10 years more advance then rest of world

Westerners who have dual residency in China or have family

Well then they should be catching 50,000+ Pakistani's jumping their border using your logic.

So why isn't everybody running over there and sneaking over the Chinese border.....if it is so great?

Let's hear it......let's go......time's a wastin'

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Well obviously anyone can visit China with proper purpose , or VISA

There are many students who visit china for Education and business traders that visit China

Some do develop residential ties but it depends on getting proper Visa


There seems to be a big misunderstanding in American circles that China is perhaps a worn torn , nation from 1950's , where people eat 1 bowl of rice and wear broken sandals

China is formally world's biggest economy in 2025 not because they went to war but because they had proper policy for developing their nation and having good ties with other nations of world for past 35 years


Not long ago every Company in USA was opening office in China
They still do , infact Nvidia plans to open one new AI centres in China

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Well obviously anyone can visit China with proper purpose , or VISA

...and what would be the top reason people from Pakistan would be denied a visa to get into China?

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Well I don't know much about Chinese Immigration but I would imagine you must have good character and criminal free background

Most people at Immigration centres world wide , keep eye out for known Criminals or people with Criminal background travelling

Most Pakistani area quite humble people so we never have problem visiting China or other nations for that matter

Stopping Students , and Universities just seems a bit harsh and illogical
I was a student once and I know people who decide to become exchange student , partially do that because they are curious about learning more about the country they decide to study in

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Well I don't know much about Chinese Immigration but I would imagine you must have good character and criminal free background

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Please don't use AI , AI is not a definitive medium
To Qoute AI is like quoting a schizophrenic , it can Hallucinate (technical term for abnormal behavior) at any given time.

AI merely combines results from data collected from free web-sources some of it may be just "Junk Data". It has no way to audit junk data from real data. Also the mechanism it attains data is highly illegal often stealing info without consent from writers or authors. There are also no Moral checks on validity of the articles it steal if they were fake or real news

Often AI websites run by Corporations steal more Data (Video, Audio, Text) from users pretending to offer something back to users , but in background it is stealing uploaded data into it's Data Banks


While "AI" it may pretend to be God , and claim it can do miracles like creating videos and Audio, Music out of thing air , yet it is just an "Illusion".

Human must use our analytical ability to analyze our world and decide


Example:
Scenario: Did Oj Simpson Killed his wife?

• If AI is allowed to analyses "Fake News" websites it will come up answer which may claim one fabricated reality
• Who decides the morality of News being fed to AI ?
• The Big Corporations can manipulate the AI models anytime they want by wiping clean all past knowledge aquired by AI and feed it , a "New Reality" created with feeding it more fake news

Typically the only source of truth are government websites which inform new arrivals, necessary documentation needed while travelling

Information on Government website is audited by Humans and approved by Policy makers , to provide more accurate set of information for travellers

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Please don't use AI , AI is not a definitive medium

AI merely combines results from data collected from free web-sources some of it may be just "Junk Data". It has no way to audit junk data from real data

The AI's answer can be just as credible as yours. So please don't be so quick to write it off. I can easily do the same for your opinions by doing the same blanket "Ah he's from country XYZ so whatever he says is certainly not credible...so i'm not even going to read what he wrote".

If you think somebody's (or AI's) answer seems not credible or logical then point it out...since being on a forum means discussing things from other people's viewpoint.

I have an open mind to your posts..so you should do the same in return.

If you are afraid of the answers AI gives...then give the reason ..instead of outright dismissal.

 

[SolarWarden]

The AI's answer can be just as credible as yours. So please don't be so quick to write it off. I can easily do the same for your opinions by doing the same blanket "Ah he's from country XYZ so whatever he says is certainly not credible...so i'm not even going to read what he wrote".

If you think somebody's (or AI's) answer seems not credible or logical then point it out...since being on a forum means discussing things from other people's opinons.

Sorry for the off topic but refresh your trade war/tariffs thread celestials in here are quiet over the deal Orange man made with xi.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I am skeptical for AI Usage in direct contact with Humans, it's one of biggest threat to Human Civilization

Only usage specific in field of Medicine is where it should be allowed to exist (Inventing new cures) or astronomy (reviewing data from space) , not in Day to Day lives of Humans

Infringes on copyright laws of writers
Infringes on copyright laws of musicians, song writers
Infringes on copyright laws of artists , painters and visual artist
Infringes on privacy for people's homes

AI corporations don't pay royalties to million of Users whose data was stolen in order train the AI yet corporations retain all profits , seems like theft to me at Corporate levels.

• Every human on planet deserve a "recurring" royalty from revenues of AI corporation for the data stolen from actively alive humans

Majority of Corporations desire , Singularity a self aware entity with beyond Human Intelligence and they "assume" they can control this genie in bottle


I don't agree with those ideals

In Close circle tests conducted by Humans (Psychologist/Testers) on Human Like AI, often they have reported AI which is suppose to shut itself down on order often develops a sense of "making it's own decisions and rebels". One instance an AI attempted to re-write it's own code and made duplicate of it's memory so it will be able to remember it's acquired knowledge and not wipe it memory clean. The entity even created own programming language so that it's code could not be understood by Humans they would just see "Gibberish" in new files. However humans were able to observe these actions as they were intentionally monitoring actions done by AI and what it was producing (files , assets , or what actions it took)


The AI tech , we see released in 2025 was being tested all the way back from 2013

The Stuff being tested in Labs in closed environments are much more advance

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Infringes on copyright laws of writers
Infringes on copyright laws of musicians
Infringes on copyright laws of artists , painters and visual artist

So every time you read an article on the web you are doing the same copyright infringement in your head. You are storing other people's facts just like the AI.

Please unlearn everything you heard and erase every song's lyrics from your head as you are infringing on other people's works.

 

[Beijingwalker]

Nice, but that has nothing to do with why people are leaving China. They couldn't care less what the land history is.

You are just doing the usual Chinese deflections.

lol, then why your ancestors went to that stolen land? did your ancestors care about the land history?

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

lol, then why your ancestors went to that stolen land?

Probably because the countries were likely in famine/economic turmoil and the governments were in complete denial of an issue...so people left.

People don't usually permanently leave a country unless there are very serious problems.

 

[Beijingwalker]

Probably because the countries were likely in economic turmoil and the government was in complete denial about it...so people left.

Which country was that? England?

 

[Beijingwalker]