Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

BigMela2onin said:
First wave, target sites that they can't risk getting hit with large numbers of lower value missiles to depleted interceptor. Target military bases generally, no need to target specific hangers, they will be empty anyeays. Launch this with waves of CMs and drones to tie up zio and allied arab air forces in interception missiles. Launch more accurate BMs once interceptor are depleted at HVTs you actually want to destroy. "I"AF will already be in the air to launch counter strikes so expect some hits back after the initial strike. You have to actually do enough damage to make the idea of a prolonged engagement not attractive to continue. Then you follow through with what you threatened - withdraw from NPT and test the ultimate deterrance.
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I like how nobody talks about the role of the so called "Axis of Resistance". Decades of investing in them, and we can't even count on them when we are under attack.
 
FUB said:
The problem is the mullahs and the oligarchy (aghazadeha). They are the a-holes who believe they can be safe with a worthless piece of paper. Let's hope that they do attack. Then Iran can show that they have the bomb and build.
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You are too optimistic. I personally think that we should think of the Ayatollahs the same way that we think of Bashar Al-Assad now.

I think Pezeshkian summed up Iran's response quite realistically: If they destroy our nuclear infrastructure, we will rebuild it.
 
ShapurII said:
The IR is f*cked this time.
And the more they repeat their stupid gay mantra that we do not want nuclear weapons, the deeper they're digging the hole that the US/Israel coalition will burry them in.

The Ayatollahs are such cowards that they are even afraid of publicly threatening to build nukes if attacked.
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very valid criticisms of the IRI (which I largely agree with), but we should have a bit more positivity and support on the eve of war against our country and people

once it starts anyway

for now, go crazy lol
 
Nasirzadeh said if the US starts a war with Iran they will have more casualties than us

From this statement alone I can tell he is stupid or lying

In which war in history did the US ever have more casualties than its enemy? Maybe in a few small tactical battles, but not a war.
 
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reports suggest 6th round of Iran-USA talks are unlikely to go ahead
 
Persian Gulf said:
very valid criticisms of the IRI (which I largely agree with), but we should have a bit more positivity and support on the eve of war against our country and people

once it starts anyway

for now, go crazy lol
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I really hope it won't come to that.
I am confident that Israel alone is not able to inflict severe damage to our nuclear infrastructure.
As for the US, I still think that Trump is going to chicken out in the last minute. He doesn't want a full-blown war with Iran. So, the only thing that can change this equation is if he gets assured that Iran will not turn this into a war, or acquire nukes after the attack. Once he is assured of that, he will greenlight it. Some factions in the regime, including even Khamenei and the IRGC, are giving Trump that assurance by saying that they do not want nuclear weapons.

We need to understand that the IR has completely lost deterrence after their weak responses to the assassination of Gen. Soleimani, Fakhrizadeh and Israeli aggressions on our embassy, assassination of Ismail Haniyeh in Tehran and aggression against our mainland.
If you watch McKenzy's interview with 60 minutes, he explicitly said that when Trump cleared the plan for assassination of Soleimani, he took a deep breath and was extremely nervous. They expected a decisive Iranian response. The US was afraid of Iran, but the fear is no longer there after Ain al-Assad and TP1, and TP2.
 
ShapurII said:
I really hope it won't come to that.
I am confident that Israel alone is not able to inflict severe damage to our nuclear infrastructure.
As for the US, I still think that Trump is going to chicken out in the last minute. He doesn't want a full-blown war with Iran. So, the only thing that can change this equation is if he gets assured that Iran will not turn this into a war, or acquire nukes after the attack. Once he is assured of that, he will greenlight it. Some factions in the regime, including even Khamenei and the IRGC, are giving Trump that assurance by saying that they do not want nuclear weapons.

We need to understand that the IR has completely lost deterrence after their weak responses to the assassination of Gen. Soleimani, Fakhrizadeh and Israeli aggressions on our embassy, assassination of Ismail Haniyeh in Tehran and aggression against our mainland.
If you watch McKenzy's interview with 60 minutes, he explicitly said that when Trump cleared the plan for assassination of Soleimani, he took a deep breath and was extremely nervous. They expected a decisive Iranian response. The US was afraid of Iran, but the fear is no longer there after Ain al-Assad and TP1, and TP2.
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I fear the Israeli response will not be as we expect but a combination of multiple blows that will paralyse the IRI leadership, which is slow and paralysed at the best of peace times to begin with

Israel probably can't fully destroy Fordow but they can destroy virtually every other part of our nuclear infrastructure and supply chain

I am ironically less concerned about the US than Israel as our SRBMs are very accurate and can deter the US, but our MRBMs have totally failed so far

in a low intensity conflict we are doomed as a result of the inaccuracy of the missiles. only if we go all out and deplete their interceptors can we then use specialised missiles like Qasim Basir but this requires a huge response and likely escalates the war when we would prefer not to
 
Persian Gulf said:
I fear the Israeli response will not be as we expect but a combination of multiple blows that will paralyse the IRI leadership, which is slow and paralysed at the best of peace times to begin with

Israel probably can't fully destroy Fordow but they can destroy virtually every other part of our nuclear infrastructure and supply chain

I am ironically less concerned about the US than Israel as our SRBMs are very accurate and can deter the US, but our MRBMs have totally failed so far

in a low intensity conflict we are doomed as a result of the inaccuracy of the missiles. only if we go all out and deplete their interceptors can we then use specialised missiles like Qasim Basir but this requires a huge response and likely escalates the war when we would prefer not to
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As for the IR leadership, I am going to say it as honestly as possible, that is possibly the best scenario for Iran if this paralysis also includes assassination of some of these high profile authorities. If Israelis really do that, we should even send them a thank you note. We are in this situation because of those people. Who runs a nuclear program on this insignificant, highly uneconomic scale if they're too pu$$y to build nukes? Who runs his mouth 24/7 and chant death to the US/Israel if they're not capable of fighting back?
The only person whose absence is felt and missed dearly is Gen. Soleimani. Compare Soleimani to Salami, for example. He was a gem in the IR.

They can definitely disable our supply chain. That is within their capabilities for sure. But I doubt they would be able to destroy the FEP at Natanz, or Fordow like you said.

One important question remains: Assuming that Iran keeps our enriched 60% stockpile after the attack, how can we get it out and move it to an undisclosed location for further enrichment?

Even if we flatten all US military bases in the region with 100% destruction, the US can still send back Iran to the stone age. Israel alone is not an existential threat to Iran, but the US is.

We should see Qassim Baseer in action.
 
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ShapurII said:
One important question remains: Assuming that Iran keeps our enriched 60% stockpile after the attack, how can we get it out and move it to an undisclosed location for further enrichment?
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idea is that we move that stockpile to various secrets locations after IAEA censure vote or snapback, but before Israeli strike

otherwise it gets harder but still possible, Israel can't maintain sortie rate to prohibit movement 24/7

ShapurII said:
Even if we flatten all US military bases in the region with 100% destruction, the US can still send back Iran to the stone age. Israel alone is not an existential threat to Iran, but the US is.
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Israel's nukes make it an existential threat but of course a convention all out war with the US is far worse

remember when Hajizadeh said a few months ago don't worry about external enemies/threats, just focus on domestic issues/the economy? that's when I knew we should really worry about external threats. lol. these guys love to brag (can't do a damn thing, etc) and it blows up in their face every single time.
 
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Too early I think we're weeks away from anything happening. Jews gotta get their infiltrators inside Iran ready to go.
 
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Too early I think we're weeks away from anything happening. Jews gotta get their infiltrators inside Iran ready to go.
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that is fake news quoting a proscribed terrorist Arab separatist dissident who lives in the UK
 
Persian Gulf said:
idea is that we move that stockpile to various secrets locations after IAEA censure vote or snapback, but before Israeli strike

otherwise it gets harder but still possible, Israel can't maintain sortie rate to prohibit movement 24/7
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Once they establish air superiority, it will be extremely hard to get it out. So, the question is, when will the IR decide to move our enriched stockpile? This is the only important question in my opinion.

Persian Gulf said:
Israel's nukes make it an existential threat but of course a convention all out war with the US is far worse

remember when Hajizadeh said a few months ago don't worry about external enemies/threats, just focus on domestic issues/the economy? that's when I knew we should really worry about external threats. lol. these guys love to brag (can't do a damn thing, etc) and it blows up in their face every single time.
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Yes, Israel's nukes are an existential threat to Iran, but I was talking about the US conventional military and economic power. The US doesn't even need to resort to non-conventional weapons to be an existential threat to us.

The sad part is that they didn't even focus on domestic issues or the economy. They have set foot on a path that only further polarizes society and makes people angrier. Disallowing having dogs as a pet, installing security cameras to identify women without hijab, etc. It's only getting worse and the economy is on the verge of collapse as well.
 
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