Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

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Why ? I mean dont they have those tels ? Just fire who in right mind would move missiles in convoy when whole air space is in israel hold.
 
I'm completely stopping supporting IRI (not Iran), what they did is unacceptable, unless they miraculously launch a massive attack on Israel that would cause massive deaths

The little hopes i had are gone, just accept the US deal, stop enrichment for a while, regroup, re-arm, recrate a glorious air force, and come back strong
Not a fan of ''i told you so'' but werent you trolling others who rightfully questioned IR's propaganda in the past years?
 
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In this war, Iran has acted in a way that has made them look very stupid.

I heard that today's strike is just the beginning.

I don't know what Iran is going to do during the main battle.
 
Well 600 pages in this thread which tells me a lot of emotions. Havent bothered to read the thread, because it would be exhausting to scroll through emotional posts and most probably posts containing disinformation.

Im going to give my two cents, with the risk of this already having been said by a lot of people.
On the surface Irans air defence capabilites seem totally paralyzed. The damage to nuclear industry seem extensive, although we have to wait and see to get a true glimps of the extent of the damage and whether or not the critical infrastructure buried underground has survived.

But the material losses are secondary (even though painful to watch). What really has been the major disaster are the series of decisions and inaction by the political and military leadership in the last 20 months which has led up to this point.
Its not one mistake. Its not two. Not three. Its a series of REPEATED mistakes. Its a systematic failure and breakdown on multiple levels and crucial occassions. To mention a few would Irans ineffective response to restore deterrence after the bombing of the embassy in Syria, the bombing of Haniyeh in Tehran, the murder/decapitation of Hezbollahs entire military and political leadership, the ceasefire between Lebanon-Israel, only for Syria to get overrun the next day. There is something to be said about "use it or lose it".
Hezbollah restrained themselves in their northern front, and see where that got them. And Iran was restrained in its direct support and action.

The damage that could have been inflicted had they operated under a different strategic doctrine, would have meant a different power dynamic and deterrence equation. Yes they would have been weakened, but so would have the Israelis.
In war everyone is weakened but the side that gets relatively more weakened ends up loosing. Iran has been fighting this war like a someone giving light jabs in a boxing match, while the other dude uses iron gloves and punches as his life depends on it.

Its too late in the game for Iran to do anything meaningful. Its position has been battered regionally, with its allies severely weakened which limits their capability (and will) to help Iran, seeing as how Iran did not help them even if they were given the causus belli many times over by Israeli actions.

I dont see a way out of this. As I see it, there are just a few options. A total surrender, meaning conceding to every US demand (remember, Iran is an even weaker position now than they were yesterday, so additional demands may follow). Many probably view this as an impossibility, but let us remember that Khomeini "swallowed the poison pill" when he agreed to end the Iraq war. If regime survival is at stake, this is certainly plausible. The mullahs are incompetent but they are not irrational.
Another option would be to absorb these strikes. I dont see an effective Iranian response forthcoming in the near future, (Israel/USA has total escalation dominance). Then opt to leave the NPT and develop nukes.

Another option would be to stay on the current catastrophic path. Meaning to give the semblance of a punitive strike but for all purposes would be symbolic (like in TP1 and TP2), which would lead to the utter collapse of whatever little deterrence is left which would invite more Israeli freedom of action and savagery.

Those are the options as I see it realistically, if anyone has other option, I would be glad to hear them.
Suggestions of some state selling nukes to Iran (like Pakistan or Russia) I will not take as serious notions/suggestions.
 

Israel says it tricked Iranian air force leaders into meeting before deadly strikes​

An Israeli security official told Fox News that Israel was able to trick top commanders of Iran's air force into gathering for a meeting.

“We carried out specific activities to help us learn more about them, and then used that information to influence their behavior,” the official said. “We knew this would lead them to meet — but more importantly, we knew how to keep them there.”

The official added that the strikes were more successful than Israel had anticipated. According to the source, air defense systems and ballistic missiles that were intended for use against Israel were preemptively targeted.
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Clowns continued to run their mouths and kept playing hide and seek about nuclear weapons. Israel being so bold probably means Iran indeed doesn't have the nukes. They thought they were smartass, they will play games with Israel, US and the west and somehow win. Didn't build the nukes while they could .
 
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Hashim Albarrah (AJN): IAEA is now actively monitoring radiation leakage inside Iran - it is believed that there is radiation leakage at Natanz however for now this is "contained". They are in communication with the Iranian authorities - in their statement they said they have no trust in the Iranian regime and believe that the Iranian regime were being "dishonest" regarding the weaponization of its nuclear program.

The agreement for Iran to surrender its enriched uranium to the IAEA whereby it would be processed by a "neighbouring nation" is now off the table. The IAEA strongly believe that if the situation continues and further strikes are launched by the Israelis against Iranian nuclear sites the situation would reach a point where Iran will not be able to contain the radiation leakage and this would pose a threat to innocent people, the region and the environment.

Venezuela, Russia and China have tabled an emergency meeting of the security council.

Source: Al Jazeera correspondent Hashim Albarrah reporting live @ the IAEA.
 
I'm completely stopping supporting IRI (not Iran), what they did is unacceptable, unless they miraculously launch a massive attack on Israel that would cause massive deaths

The little hopes i had are gone, just accept the US deal, stop enrichment for a while, regroup, re-arm, recrate a glorious air force, and come back strong
They will probably force Iran to sign a deal like Japan did after ww2. Iran won’t be allowed to produce BMs or any meaningful weapons. Can only purchase what US decides for them
 
So where is Iran preparation?

Every one knew it was coming after Gaza war..

Iran will Launch some toys and call it a day
 
Nobody should be mocking Iranians at this time. Iran has every right to have nukes and whatnot. The idea that Israel can dictate every country based on their own threat assessment doesnt mean other should comply.

Hitler is remembered as someone who killed and maimed millions of Jews, Netanyahu will be remembered as someone who put jews life in danger for forever.
 

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