Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[the saint]

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[Fatman17]

Israel has made a serious miscalculation. While they may have taken out some leaders and hit a few nuclear sites, Iran has swiftly regained control of its command and control systems and demonstrated remarkable resilience by hitting back with force.

Israel seems to forget how geographically vulnerable it is. Its small size makes it an easy target. Hopefully, Iran delivers the lesson they deserve.

One things for sure, Iran is now hell bent on getting the bomb to prevent such incident again.

They need to hit military targets

 

[majesticpug]

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moment of impact, Israelis calling it "mass casualty event"

I call it beautiful... Wow, look at the golden colors. Justice served.

 

[John Smith]

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This is old news, no? I recall reading this a week or two ago

 

[arjunk]

heir strategic objective is to destroy our nuclear program and missiles

they haven't achieved either of these things

Don't prematurely celebrate. They specified a 2 week timeframe. It's only day 2.

They already killed the IRGC chief and Iranian military Chief. They already launched one wave of strikes on nuclear facilities.

If this is the damage they did in one day, then in two weeks there will be nothing left -- unless Iran turns up the heat.

 

[the saint]

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[muz]

It is semi confirmed multiple Iranian Aircraft and their associated equipment were damaged or lost in Hamadan Airbase this includes multiple F-4 Phantom aircraft from Shah era

 

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[StrategicBear]

Don't prematurely celebrate. They specified a 2 week timeframe. It's only day 2.

They already killed the IRGC chief and Iranian military Chief. They already launched one wave of strikes on nuclear facilities.

If this is the damage they did in one day, then in two weeks there will be nothing left -- unless Iran turns up the heat.

These are the only way to "turn up the heat" :

1. Missiles with 2 ton warheads
2. Missiles with Cluster Warheads
3. Missiles with Fuel-Air Explosive Warheads
4. Missiles with EMP Warheads

 

[guangdongt]

Don't prematurely celebrate. They specified a 2 week timeframe. It's only day 2.

They already killed the IRGC chief and Iranian military Chief. They already launched one wave of strikes on nuclear facilities.

If this is the damage they did in one day, then in two weeks there will be nothing left -- unless Iran turns up the heat.

Yes, this is a war for Middle Eastern power and regime subversion. It is obvious that Iran is the last fortress, and Israel will not give up. Now it depends on whether Iran can unite and overcome the crisis

 

[ShapurII]

Neither of the two are achievable short of a physical take-over and systematic dismantling of the Iranian setups. What Israel was able to do was no surprise. It would be naive to believe that Iran didn't see it coming and would not have had contingencies in place knowing their obvious conventional shortcomings. Israel knows this as well. Their play is to get the US involved and invade, which Israel cannot do itself.

I continue to believe that Netanyahu's endgame is regime change. He probably has counted on revolts and uprisings in Iran, which was likely at first because the country felt helpless and the regime seemed unable to defend Iran, but now that the tide is turning, it's extremely unlikely to happen. Iranians have never been this united in a long time.

This sort of aerial campaign will never work against hardened targets like Fordow or Natanz. They're just scratching the surface without much success. The only possible exception is if they can get boots on the ground to enter these underground facilities. Maybe that's why they have defined a two-week plan.

This is probably their plan, which I had more or less predicted a few weeks before this war happened in another thread:
1. Shock and awe through decapitation of high ranking generals
2. SEAD/DEAD to establish air superiority over Iranian territory
3. Suppression of Iran's ability to launch missiles to retaliate
4. Suppression of Iran's ground forces to send commandos or special forces in
5. Create chaos in Iran by asking people to topple the regime, activating their sleeper cells in Tehran, Kurdistan, Azerbaijan, Baluchistan, Ahvaz, etc.
6. Destroy Iranian underground facilities while Iran is in chaos using boots on the ground
7. If everything went well, topple the regime.

They seem to be at stage 3 or 4 now. I don't think they will ever be able to move on to stage 5, as Iranians seem quite united now. At least, as long as the regime is fighting back, everything's good.

 

[majesticpug]

Not that impressed with hitting civilian residency. How bout something a little more substantial? Power infrastructures, financial centers, industrial complex? Those that really hurts

If you meant Tel Avi, go complain, go sue the Israelis for placing its citizens around military bases and ammunition depots. This is well-known knowledge that Tel Avi is such a place. Using Israel's own words, the civilians were used as human shields and just deserving collateral damages. They have had the choice of not living in Tel Avi, haven't they?

 

[Falcon29]

All I know at this point is, even if Iran stops and surrenders, this has been a disaster for Netayanhu.

He failed to fully decapitate Iran's command and control structure, and failed to destroy Iran's nuclear facilities, and has only achieved an extremely limited scope of his objectives.

Meanwhile, he now has to contend with an angry public that he assured would be safe because Iran apparently didn't have the capability of getting through Israel's iron dome (which we all know how that turned out).

I think it's over for Netanyahu. This was a military disaster for both sides, but at least Iran has managed to somewhat recover its reputation.

On the contrary he would have got a huge win if this ends for Israel in less than two weeks.

They have not suffered a military disaster, not even close. And they will replenish interceptors for next round if this ends soon.

They aren't trying to destroy Iran's entire infrastructure they don't have that capability. They're setting back nuclear program and missile program with these strikes, and it's possible Iran agrees to no enrichment after this and still deals with the US.

It will backfire if Iran races towards nuclear weapons and gets them.