Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Iran government said yesterday now is not time to talk

And today says it's open to going to back to negotiations with US.

One day later. Iranian leadership is making grave mistakes.

Now US is going to demand more than no enrichment it will demand dismantling of entire nuclear program. If you show you're open to that, they will than move to ballistic missile program and regime change.
 
the two compliment each other... @Emirzad was one of those who argued that Irans AD and IADS was the best and no one knew what they were talking about with his long posts.

All of his points have been shot down .. i wonder what is thinking of what is happening of his fabled IADS right now???
LOL... I heard the MOSSAD disabled Iran's AD with cyber attacks. Iran has restored some or a major portion of their AD after the initial attack.
 
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What?

wow these sick bastards did randi roona about hammas using hospital as hq now fker doing yhe same i hope someone nukes this evil!
 
Iran government said yesterday now is not time to talk

And today says it's open to going to back to negotiations with US.

One day later. Iranian leadership is making grave mistakes.

Now US is going to demand more than no enrichment it will demand dismantling of entire nuclear program. If you show you're open to that, they will than move to ballistic missile program and regime change.
If they agree, the us and israel will only be satisfied when iran give up all their missile programs, along with nuclear program and have this for air defense
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Two major differences.

1) Iraq was also incompetent in 1980’s in battlefield tactics just like a revolutionary purged Iranian military

2) Iran had F-14 which was still the F-22 of its day and kept Iranian airspace secure. It got to the point where whenever a F-14 was detected, Iraqi MiGs would immediately retreat the airspace.


Iran is now facing a strong military backed Israel and now has no equivalent to F-14 to guard its skies and has lost its skies to Israel.

So both those factors mean it’s a whole different ballgame this time around. The only thing in Iran’s favor is that Israel cannot launch a land war.
Okay lets look at what's the most that Israel can do ?
  • They have tried attacking nuclear facilities and its obvious they cannot penetrate them. US Experts have already termed it a fail. Iran can continue onwards with little setback.
  • Will they bomb Iran into being another Gaza ? They can try but Iran will hit them back harder than ever for as long as they can and Iran is not landlocked and completely helpless like Gaza. They can gather a lot of support and make life hell for Israel and Arabs, if they want to. They would have nothing left to lose anyway.
  • Finally, lets say even if Israel does destroy it all, what else will it do other than fuel utter hatred for Israel and Unite Iranians more than ever ? India tried the same with Pakistan and it united a severely divided Pakistan against a common enemy.
  • Is Israel gonna use Nukes ? No way, nobody will allow that and it will achieve nothing useful. Period.
  • Lastly, how long can Netanyahu last ? He will fall far long before anyone in Iran does.
  • We are not even talking about other cards in Iran's hands, like Strait of Hormuz, Regional Destabilization, further support of proxies, etc.
  • Iranians have seen what happened in Gaza, Lebanon, etc. Common Iranians will know Israel for that. How will they wanna do anything that makes Israel win ? They will probably force Ayatollahs to go back back on the seat even if he himself wants to resign.
So again, yes, huge blasts look imposing on TV screens but they are not gonna achieve anything this way, just strengthen Iran more to work against them.
 
Are you accounting for population? Not all civilians will fight, especially not Arabs who have been getting fattened by oil money . Either way Iran has 90 Million population if you think every civilian will fight. 😭

Majority of them are muslims except maybe 9-10% non-muslims in the GCC..

And majority of these muslims are from the Arab world like Egyptians, Syrians, Jordanians, Sundanese etc etc who are born there and the other half is Pakistanis and Indian muslims and Indonesians they will certainly fight. They are already in rolled in the Army, police force etc etc.. They will even fight with valor as this is the holy land
 
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They are not at the top, I'd say top 10 maybe 9. Yes they pack a punch true. But the last time they fought any meaningful opposition was during the Yon Kippur War, which technologically speaking is way back in the past. But yes, in their region they are top.
The neighbourhood doesn't mobilise against it because of America, who either has nations in its pockets or will intervene militarily if they start to lose.

Even in the Yom Kippur War, I made a post in the old forum, the Israelis were caught off guard and didn't expect an attack, especially along their first line of defense; however, recent books published by ex-IDF military said they warned the government they saw suspicious movements and were ignored some dismissed it as military exercise.

As the conflict progressed after the surprise Egyptian assault, the Israelis stabilized their center of gravity. They decided first to knock out the Syrians from the conflict, eventually coming within 30km of the Syrian capital Damascus, knocking it out of the conflict even after Iraq shifted 30K troops to help stabilize the Syrian front.

After Syria, the divisions moved to Sinai, secured their respective positions, and pushed along the northern route, coming within 100km of Cairo, which then sued for peace.

The Egyptian planners behind this operation failed in its objective, and it wasn't until a decade later that they got their Sinai back through an accord signed by both parties; that too practically on Israeli terms.

I understand the US and other countries coming to the aid of Israel. Still, it has reached a critical point that either they all do a frontal attack and push the cost on Israel's civilian centers, or eventually become destabilized and lose governance and territory. Sadly, the latter option has been chosen, and soon they will lose more going forward.
 
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Iran was never a Chinese ally and where did you imagine the betrayal from? The only betrayal you can speak of is YOU as one of thousands of A-kissing Iranians who naively believe kneel, kiss, and the Americans will let you live. Little do you know that Americans by its very fundamental hegemonic ME strategy needs a not-too-large but large-enough country as its enemy. Iran fits the description. China doesn't NEED the sales of J10C to survice or boost the economy. We're not French, btw. But J10C's presence would have provided Iran temporary peace for development (At the time, J10C has already proven to have defeated Su-35 multiple times) and add to China's geopolitical leverage. China also doesn't need Iran's oil. There are multiple oil sources more than willing to provide to China, including the US.

Iran could never shake off the punch-bag role because of its lack of strategic thinkers and more importantly A-kissing, Mossad-bought Iranians like you.
Again, f*ck off.
I already explained to you why you assholes were put aside after being thoroughly tested. It's not like one day we woke up and decided that China is bad. You stabbed us in the back for years, times and times again. There's no guarantee that China would ever deliver jet fighters to us.

When you guys were a bunch of wage slaves that sold your ass for 2 cents per day, we signed the largest economic deals with you in late 90s. We established excellent economic trade with you to replace the West. You proved you didn't deserve any of it.
You're getting back to that period again soon. Trump knows that China is a threat and he's going to take care of you. And it is in fact a bipartisan policy, just like the US-Iran situation that is bi-partisan. They're onto you and it's only a matter of time.

Soon you will be back to the wage slaves you were, working in sweat camps assembling American/European products like slaves. Other than the products you assemble, almost everything else you produce is cheap and crap. So, enjoy while you can because you're next on the list.

Now review this list again to realize what sort of two-faced bitches you Chinese are:
1. You betrayed Iran 4 times at the UN Security Council which brought our economy on the verge of collapse and forced us to accept the JCPOA.
2. You abandoned Tehran-Shomal highway due to US sanctions.
3. You abandoned the Chabahar Port due to US sanctions. Chabahar was offered to you first, not the Indians.
4. You abandoned IR-40 nuclear reactor after Trump pulled out of the JCPOA.
5. You abandoned South Pars gas field in fear of US sanctions.
6. You closed the bank accounts of Iranian students studying in China after the US imposed unilateral sanctions.
7. You abandoned Tehran Metro, again due to US sanctions
8. You did nothing to restore our trade after the US kicked our banks out of the SWIFT.
 
Don't say this now. Iranian leadership was on right path not standing down on its right to enrichment.

This is going to embolden them to sustain attacks on Iran to get more out of Iran.

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