Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

battalion25 said:
Lets say Iran does a nuclear break out then what has this really achieved? Is the question? If I were the Americans I would have put tactical force land on Fordow or make an Incursion all this strikes does is maybe humiliate Iran or what not but fails to achieve the objective
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If they can do a break out they better go for it all in balls to the wall because this would be their only chance. Americans are not omnipotent.

I doubt they can though, said my reasoning before
 
StrategicBear said:
This ^^^

ALLAH HU AKBAR!!

ALLAH HU AKBAR!!

ALLAH HU AKBAR!!

HOPEFULLY ALLAH WILL GRANT US VICTORY AGAINST THESE EVIL DEMONIC CRUSADER SCUM!
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So, even if it's propaganda, they are starting to drag Pak into conflict. Israel, if successful in Iran .....then next....
 
To everyone reposting the Defence Minister’s speech—come on. No one, not even in Pakistan, takes him seriously. If it came from DG ISPR, maybe then it’d matter. His statements are vague and unfiltered.

Also, chill with the “Pakistan should do this” takes. We were nearly at war with India just weeks ago. The eastern front is active, and until the Indus Water Treaty is addressed, nothing is resolved. We can’t afford to send a single bolt to Iran, let alone AD systems or jets.

And no, we’re not next. If Israel wanted to hit us, they’ve had the chance in May. But Pakistan isn’t Iran—our air force, EW capabilities, and deterrence are on a different level.


Stay calm. Think smart.
 
Looks some missiles are trying to target Palachim airbase ?
 
F-22Raptor said:
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If this really happened, then Iran will be authorized to attack Israeli infrastructure. You have to know the Jewish people, money is God for them. That's why I'm sure half of their air defense launchers are empty, the money was stolen a long time ago. If Trump finds out how much the Israeli party cost America, he'll be in trouble. After all, America pays for all the expenses, where do you think they have so much money? If it's really true that even one of the three F35s is lost, the whole damage is greater than what it caused to Iran.:)
 
CrniLabud said:
The US is only now realizing how much weaker they are today as opposed
To 20 years ago. They think they can threaten, scare, etc. and do what they want. Those days are over. The US military is filled with overpriced fancy weapons. Let them use it, continue printing money to pay for it and let them accelerate their demise. They are literally falling apart domestically yet have time and resources to meddle on the other side of the world.

What did they accomplish in Yemen? A big nothing. We all know there will not be a land war in Iran, this will be an air and naval war, both expensive toys. This will change geopolitics, great time for China do take back Taiwan, this will further unite Europe to fill the gap of US absence and inability to provide protection. The millions of illegals in the US can be used to create absolute chaos in the US by any half competent intel agency, US is a young country and not experienced, filled with ignorant people who just care about their career. All the issues they have they alone created from immigration to China by diplomats who was short sighted. Just listen to peter zeihan and other intellectuals and you will see how limited they are.
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How are they weaker? All those who challenged them are finding out painfully in conflict situations. The Al-Qaeda Network in Afghanistan collapsed. Saddam regime in Iraq collapsed. Qaddafi regime in Libya collapsed. Assad regime in Syria collapsed. Hezbollah in Lebanon and Syria is virtually crippled. The pathway to attacking Iran is opened through Syria and Iraq as these two states can no longer defend themselves and/or seem to care. Iran is also vulnerable to strikes from the sea. Russia is facing heavy resistance in Ukraine and could not hold ground in Syria consequently.

They also stopped anti-shipping activity in the Red Sea when others were watching. Losses were minimum. Every conflict is not about regime change. The objective can be to intervene and stop a particular activity.

The US Navy intercepted a large number drones, cruise missiles, and ballistic missiles in the Red Sea during the campaign. This is a data goldmine that will inform possibilities in the Pacific waters. Nobody knows for sure how Taiwan will hold up in a conflict situation but it does have topography that can facilitate resistance. There is also the impact of TSMC to contemplate. Chinese are not impatient and want to spill blood unnecessarily. Time will tell.

It is not easy to create chaos in the US. Every state have a National Guard in addition to the Police. There can be protests but not much else.

The world is imperfect. Conflicts arise from time to time. Some fight, others speculate. There are challenges for all camps to navigate through. Now WE have greater exposure through Social Media.
 
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mulj said:
This is sound thinking, problem of this calculus is USA role and any moment their open attacks on Iran,
This could work if Russia and China appear more visible and in concrete manner in Iran favor.
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Yes, but Donald trump has the mother of all political hills to climb over to drag the USA into a direct war. I dont think he will, no matter how opportune things look as it goes against the fundamentals of his entire pollical rhetoric that he made with his MAGA crowd. ie no more wars... I truly dont believe the USA will enter this war directly. He may provide weapons to Israel, but even with that, Israels stamina is not there for a state on state war that is prolonged.
 
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