Lessons for Pakistan from the Israel/Iran conflict of June 2025

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

At the moment there is no rule of law in Pakistan, the traitors are roaming around
freely.

Pakistani's are going to have a big shock like Iran, if they don't get rid of them.

No one shoul doubt that.. kpk from where i belong people are frustrated to the level that i have heard many now even prefer afghanistan over pakistan

 

[Rational Philosopher]

That a country filled with nepotism, corruption and complaceny which doesn't value meritocracy or care for competency will get shafted beyond belief the moment it comes into contact with a semi-competent power.

Modern warfare is like a well-oiled integrated machine that incompetent nepotist societies can't fight. The entire society needs huge reforms, get rid of extremism, promote high quality education, triple the budget bring in foreign experts if needed.

— OFFICER QUALITY STANDARDS MUST BE HIGH
— COMPETENCY IS MANDATORY
— NEVER UNDERESTIMATE YOUR ENEMY THROUGH FALSE BRAVADO AND COPING
— STRONG COUNTER INTELLIGENCE
— STRONG EW, CYBER AND INTELLIGENCE CAPABILITIES
— SECURE, DISPERSED, SAFE ASSETS
— CREDIBLE SECOND STRIKE CAPACITY
— GET RID OF IDEOLOGICAL EXTREMISM, RATIONAL INTELLIGENT ACTORS ONLY

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Lesson for India , better start releasing the blocked water

• No need to be greedy

Lesson for Pakistan , store water in Dam, use water wisely

 

[alphapak]

No one shoul doubt that.. kpk from where i belong people are frustrated to the level that i have heard many now even prefer afghanistan over pakistan

If this war does not wake the people inside the Army then nothing will, just wait for the
punishment from the enemies. The enemies will not show restraint, day 1 they will
be flattened.

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

If this war does not wake the people inside the Army then nothing will, just wait for the
punishment from the enemies. The enemies will not show restraint, day 1 they will
be flattened.

Allah sabko seedhay rastay pay laaye.. apni ego, nafratain chorh kar pakistan ki baqa ka sochay bas

 

[FuturePAF]

Lesson for India , better start releasing the blocked water
Lesson for Pakistan , store water in Dam

Another lesson for Pakistan and Iran is to secure their common border, on land, in the air and at sea, because the porous border is a threat to both countries. Today a danger to Iran but it could just as easily be a threat to Pakistan tomorrow. At the very least Pakistan should not allow itself to be a vector against Iran.

 

[Faithfulguy]

build on what others said. Build up economy and provide general prosperity for the population. This would make foreign nations difficult to recruit spies in your own country.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

If Iran Falls , attack on Pakistan's western front are only matter of time
Similar threat will exist on Turkish side as war may expand into Turkey

 

[flyingorca]

Biggest Lesson, know the snakes around you because even if you have the most advance weapons snakes will bite you in the...

Land based decoys are a big big requirement. IRAN was able to fool Israelis into thinking they were destroying BM launchers.

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

This is more directed towards the India threat, but as Netanyahu has pointed out that Pakistan is perceived by them as their long term threat, Pakistan will now have to build up the means to take the war in that direction if need be. But for God sake Pakistan, especially via the loose lips “defense minister” better not start taking about this.

Exactly this is the way forward

 

[KingQamaR]

For me personally. The Mossad infiltration of the entire Iranian systems was the most shocking bit of this war. Pakistan should beef up its internal security at once for top Generals of each arm of the military and key scientists and personnel . Immediately improve our cyber security that our key communications do not get jammed or hacked during a war. As we watched Iranian paralyses from civilian and military command for the first 24 hours who could not communicate with each other to launch a counter attack.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

That a country filled with nepotism, corruption and complaceny which doesn't value meritocracy or care for competency will get shafted beyond belief the moment it comes into contact with a semi-competent power.

Modern warfare is like a well-oiled integrated machine that incompetent nepotist societies can't fight. The entire society needs huge reforms, get rid of extremism, promote high quality education, triple the budget bring in foreign experts if needed.

— OFFICER QUALITY STANDARDS MUST BE HIGH
— COMPETENCY IS MANDATORY
— NEVER UNDERESTIMATE YOUR ENEMY THROUGH FALSE BRAVADO AND COPING
— STRONG COUNTER INTELLIGENCE
— STRONG EW, CYBER AND INTELLIGENCE CAPABILITIES
— SECURE, DISPERSED, SAFE ASSETS
— CREDIBLE SECOND STRIKE CAPACITY
— GET RID OF IDEOLOGICAL EXTREMISM, RATIONAL INTELLIGENT ACTORS ONLY

There's a too strong focus in this chat on single issues, or single problems. But we are ignoring the roots of those problems and why they are born.

The fundamental reason is incompetent feudalist societies always produce low quality institutions. They won't be able to fight an integrated modern war against a state that values meritocracy.

Wars are essentially the strength of one culture vs another, which one can produce the most intelligent and competent people via an educational ecosystem, and put them in important positions based on merit.

Israel beats the Arabs because Arab culture is second tier. Muslims have never cared to modernise, they relied on hubris and raw manpower vs Israel's intelligent strategies and technological edge.

@FuturePAF

 

[fallschirmjager786]

There's a too strong focus in this chat on single issues, or single problems. But we are ignoring the roots of those problems and why they are born.

The fundamental reason is incompetent feudalist societies always produce low quality institutions. They won't be able to fight an integrated modern war against a state that values meritocracy.

Wars are essentially the strength of one culture vs another, which one can produce the most intelligent and competent people via an educational ecosystem, and put them in important positions based on merit.

Israel beats the Arabs because Arab culture is second tier. Muslims have never cared to modernise.

@FuturePAF

Very good observation sir. The institutions would be a reflection of the culture that the represent.

 

[Mechanic]

Lesson 1: Don't make public your enemy just because you dont agree with their leader.
Lesson 2: Produce Shit Load of long range hypersonic missiles.
Lesson 3: Be the first one to carry out pre emptive strike and take out key military leadership and strategic locations to maintain the element of surprise.

 

[Meledor]

Iranian errors frequently mentioned in Russian infospace, I have little knowledge how applicable these can be for Pakistan.

1. High ranking officers, state administrators and scientists should move to secure locations prior to attacks, not remain in their quarters. This was incredibly baffling for us, to sip coffee on high alert, anticipating the announced (!) Israeli attacks while Iranians...went to their beds?!
2. Control over the citizenry should be shifted from moral policing to having a tight grip over high-potential assets — lorry drivers, couriers, infrastructure workers. Recent technology advancements and mainstreaming of gig work means a foreign adversary can manipulate unknowing (!) contractors, tasking them with surveillance, assembly and delivery of remote-controlled weapons, IEDs and drones. In general, having a broad, enthusiastic support (not mere compliance!) among citizenry and residents is needed more than ever.
2.1 Iranian outreach seems like a mixture of bravado, hystericism and sometimes too much! restraint. Flags of vengeance, coupled with repeated voiced commitments to nuclear non-proliferation. Neural slop and syndicating american polbloggers (Nick fuentes) on state broadcasts.
3. Air defence should be prepared for a flurry of duds, intending to waste precious ammo. Smart, computer-assisted targeting, robust coordination and datalinks are needed. Also, said defences, data processing and retaliatory capabilities are to be enclosed, preferably underground and as far as possible from residential/commercial areas — close-range attacks from saboteurs are to be expected.