What the Hell?
What kind of demand is this. Why should an ordinary arab muslim, who is constantly being watched by the jews who will break his every bone even if suspected of helping Iran, whose daughters will be rapped children will be tortured, should risk his life for meaningless mission.
My palestinian brothers and sisters are slaughtered and no one went to actually fight a war for them. They were used with some small aid ( desperatrely needed ) as pawns, as a sacrificial lamb for a narcisst racist nation that does not have balls to fight its own war, and then abanoned totally when their babies were being burried for several days before dying with broken bones under the ruble.
Still the narcisistic demands for sacrificial lambs since they don't have courage to go and fight their own wars. Still looking for innocent to sacrifice (by giving them a small aid, a bloody conditional aid) all they have, even babies which were born after decades of prayers and medical treatments (such as in Gaza), and yet here we go again and again and again someone wants entire famiilies to be slaughterd for tiny sum instead of being "good hearted enough" to give unconditional aid and help.
In the name of my Islam, the "nationalist", the racist are asking for actual genuine muslim sacrifices, questiing other's state of faith while themselves being nothing more than mere racist at heart.
Why NOT you or ordinary iranian go as tourists or go cowartly to die for Iran.
First die for other muslims, sacrifice your own children, have your cities destroyed and then ask anyone to fight for you.
Only a genuine muslim who "knows NO race", devoid of nationalism, can ask for another muslim for help since He or she is related to "that other muslim" without any made up notions of race, nation or country but under the true sense of relationship sactioned by Allah himself.
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Whether most arabs or non-arabs are real muslims or not, that will be judged by Allah.
But one pure sign of real muslim is, He dies for other muslims who are in great desperation (such as Gaza) but never lets harm to other muslims and never demands their sacrifices.
A true muslim NEVER asks for so called " insignificant others" who can put in great dangers instead of fighting his own wars. Narcisstic pussies ask for sacrifyihng muslim civlian families instead of going themselves to "infliterate Israel (say as tourist with their family to face the actual extreme danger) so that we alll can see what is being asked of others, can one can do himself???
We know what Iran does to those who help Iran. Asif William Rahman leaked details of attack to Iran what Iran did, They bloody leaked the whole document on telegraph boasting they have access to CIA compromising him. Same by forcing without training to azeri Israelies to gather meaningless intel on Israel and compromising them too. Even know what Iran did not even faced for a day, Lebanies are suppose to die with their children for Iran. Havent' they gone through enough while Iran watched. Attacking only when Iran itself attackd that too by informing them ahead of time so that they can move their F-35s etc.
What you should ask is WHY Pakistan as a nation is NOT helping Iran. Well because we are financially broke. Among our faults, it was Iran that could not tolerate a developing Pakistan and those bloch terrorists were daily bombing Pakistan. Iranian minister openly declaring Gwadar poses a threat. It bloody DID NOT. A developed Pakistan would haver been more assertive. We always are. Its always our economic problems that force our hand and we are forced to cooperate with US like you are now seeking by sacrificing so much including accepting a nuclear Israel while giving up your own. After all we are same country who took US-Indian led daily suicide bombing but still trained Taliban, kept their families safe in Pakistan. Even now Israel cannot even dream of asking Pakistan's coward help against Iran. WE let go even missile attacks by Iran by taking "our usual arrogant brother" who likes to harm fellow muslim nations rather than integrating with us so that Iran could face its actual real enemies which are NOT arabs or Pakistan but US, Europe or Israel is.
You should have asking why on earth Iran and Pakistan don't have integrated air defence systems where both can practice and learn modern warfare. NO don't tell me, we won't do it. We went in against US for Taliban why won't we do it for and with Iran. Iranian already have had training with Pakistan. You should be asking why aren't you close to Turkey so that you too could learn modern ship building and lot more by working with them. If you had done that, instead of believing that you don't need anyone, but you do, we all do, you would have found those deficincies and helped us to in areas where we are weak, and today better prepared for war with a country like Israel that acutally enjoyes killing muslim babies including Iranian and Pakistani ones.
May be this narcisst attitude of Iran is the problem so much so that even China could not convince your nation to cooperate regarding CPEC. You would rather youself won't progress if it involves progress another muslim nation.
Israel cannot harm Iran much even with the help of NATO and US. Iran will recover (Insha-Allah) and will get rid of Israeli aggression. But next time don't ask Hamas to sacrifice their children by starting a war where you are NOT fighting side by side with them. We Pakistanis NEVER asked Taliban to go and fight for Kashmir.
Meantime, I do love Iran. I am muslim. I am with Iran and genuinly wish Pakistan was ecomnically develped since that's the only power west has over both Iran and Pakistan, the economic leveraage, so that we can fight along side with Iran against this Isaeli menace that is murdering my iranian brothers and sisters and their children (that I see as my nephews and nieces). I am all dying and fighting for Iran. But that demands should only be placed on muslim nations who are currently not powerful enough to do so. Our faith is weak too thanks to the same nationalism made you say to use again arabs civlians when it was meant to be done by well developed well structured inteligence. DO you know that we always send Kashmiris from here and NEVER asked for any local kashmiri to fight even for Kashmir. We do fight our own war. If someone demands in Pakisstan for arabs to die for Palestine or Pakistan, its always indian origin Pakistanis.
WE with origin in this Pakistan know that we must die first that too for free and for no gain, before we can ask for anyone else to die for us. Even then we would rather put ourselves in risk and only us.
Because when you love other muslims, you see their children as your blood, you don't ask them to die or suffer for you.
You grow a pair and you fight like a man. Muslims join other muslims in war. They don't go around demaning someone to fight for them.
Fully armed nations including Iran and Pakistan learn to take the hit and fight. Yes off course they should work towards becoming band of brotthers and sisters to fight jointly eventually.
For GOd sake stop having proxy wars in narcisstically declared "insigniciant other lands" sacrificing "insignicant others". They are people, NOT insigican't others. Their children live in their countries and they are NOT insignican't lands that can be sacrificed for Iran or for Pakistan for that matter.
Next time have that discussion with
@Persian Gulf and tell him, a real muslim has huge set of balls, who can fight their wars without asking for helpless muslims civilians that they can pay some cash give some missiles, who then have their countries destroyed, their cities reduced to dust and yet still continues with "NOT done enough for the cash given".
WTF?
Learn to love other than "the Persians". which is just an identity. Persians won't come to protect you in your old age or pay your bills (Nor would a Pakistanis for that matter). A real muslim will however if you can find one.
But to ask real muslim for help, you have to become one first.
May be NOT eat for whole whole days, like I do when I see Gaza starving. I am a Pakistani and Pakistani born yet they are my nieces and nephews in palestine who are hungry, my sisters who are attacked by ruthless Israeli soldiers when they get isolated or everyone else is killed after an attack in some isolated street and they die in those Israeli hands in greatest of distress and helplessness. I cannot count, the nights I could not sleep even for one second due to extreme distress by thinking about such things. How many of my arabs brother and sisters have to die due to this bloody Israel.
Its now mine and your turn. May be Pakistan should fight and Iran must fight with courage against this monsters nation called Israel not just for Islam but actually becasue its the right principle thing to do. Otherwise, this murdereous nations starts war by bombing directly civilians, schools, hospitals. Such nations are meant to be stopped by those countries and nations claiming to be civillized. at least they should prepare and buy time to rise into power to do so. If their was NO india waiting to ecomnically choke Pakistan, Pakistan would not be so tied up.
Still iran demading Pakistan makes sense even if Iran has itself not done much for Pakistan. As muslim nation Pakistan must NOT watch Iran put in helpless place by a pure evil of a nation. We should show that as a nation we can't allow that.
Pakistan is working to reach that stage. WE are already devleoping ICBMS, variety of large rocket motors were tested during 2022-2024 along with new high energy materials developed in Pakistan by Pakistani chemists. So that next time Palestine is put in such place or anyother muslim nation is being reduced to ruble, at least we can be threatening to the "dady" of Israel. That is the plan. Israel is planning to become a menace very soon in the region and even China does not like that. Turkey and Pakistan are working towards a set of unified set of goals to be able to stop this murderous nation that does not stops even after killing thousands of children. You will see thats hapening including our Pakistani regional GPS system (with some help from the same arabs and Turkey you keep on complaining against without fighting actual war for them). We are already near completion a full scale anti-sattlige capability. Our rising capabilites towards reaching a full scale distrubuted warfare infra-structure and workforce is real and is measured in actual war like situation. Before Pakistan can do much and confront West, it must have some basic capabilities. West does give concessions, once you are powerful enough. Even north Korea can get them. Yes we do have courange. Its economy that forces us just like iran to make compromises. Otherwise, Pakistani is very capable nation who do face their enemies one they become threat what matters even if it means fighting the whole NATO by training supplying Talibans or what not or going into to secure arab lands in war like situations with Israel (such as in past for Jordan etc.) despite western opposition. WE refused billion in aid by Gulf countries by refusing to slaughter our Yemeni arab brothers and sisters. Otherwise so much was offered to us. Pakistan took an informal symbolic role which we already had in Saudi arabia but parliament passed the resolution and no combat OPERATIONS WAS TAKEN IN YEMEN. We refused the money we so desperately needed. Because as a muslim we did not want to shed muslim blood.
Pakistan does want develop jointly militarily with other muslims and genuinly so.
May be Iran should start joining such efforts by less by learning to do things unconditioinally for other muslims and demanding less. We will accept you and NO, there is NO USA that can stop that.
For Taliban we did not stop who were actualy fighting war agains USA why we would we stop cooperating with Iran. Pakistan does stands for its national interests and never abadoned any muslim nation even when we were forced under extra-ordinary circumstances of september 11 when even China demanded us to help US, we covarltly and eventualy overtaly went in to train the same Taliban we supported before.
Last year we shown clear middle finger when US begged Pakistan to let go ICBM program involving very larger highly advanced composite built rocket motors. Even our ceramic composite sheildings and special ablative materis are seconds to none devevloped in house. Satellite killer missiles and associated systems of ours (under development) will have true AI based distrubuted detection, estimation and tracking built in.
Pakistan does NOT boast or carries out huge ceremoneies. We develop actual capabilies. Out of hundereds of russian/indian supersonic brahmos missile, and advanced French missiles most were softly killed with highly advanced real-time networked electronic warfare just very recently against India. Very few got away and ended up hiting Pakistan.
As I said, Iran has its stenghts, may be next time join muslim nations, instead of firing missiles at them (who can jam your systems and can fire back anyway), do actual combat planning and joint training learning on larger scale with them. Even Turkey has no hasitation to improve its pilot training by asking Pakistan or seeking our advanced wind tunnel testing experties (inc hypersonic experties that Pakistan has) . Most importatnly let go flip flop and be consistant. Even when others go bad. Iran should do the right thing .
Pakistan is consistant and actaully trust worty, that's why even china likes Pakistan. Learn to use your brothers. At end of the day, We are NOT your enemies. Focus on the real ones. Stop seeing them as insignicant others you can use in your proxy or other wars.
Only when you can die for others, Only then, others can happily join you since fighting for or along side a narcisst is plain impossible.
Iran is NOT some weak country as many have been saying here. Iran is powerful country capable of learning from its mistakes. See how happily we decided to fight against India without requiring/demanding anything from indian muslims. ONLY This forum which does to represent the actual Pakistan, you were hearing we won't fight. We always did.
We could not care less. Pakistan as a nation fully confident that Iran can defeat Israel despite the set backs and Iranian will learn from their mistakes. We don't see you needing any help right now. Israeli time is over. Despite US pressure, and UAE's pressure, Pakistan will never give gaurantee to that energy corridor, that oil gas, piplike Israel want to build up to India with Gulf cooperation. WE promised to nuke it, if anything goes wrong with india. UAE even made life difficult when this was hot issue few years back. But look things happen. We are friends again. Its okay to forgive. UAE can do its bloody thing regarding Israel and we did our thing. It does not mean we have to hate them. WE are NOT that perfect ourselves. Neither is Iran.
This forum is NOT our Forum, we the ethnic Pakistanis are NOT allowed here only indian origin Pakistanis are.
That's why overwhelming majority of ethnic Pakistanis stay away from this forum, as we are abused, banned, all that shit for emotioinally supporting arabs, Iranians, Turkey, Helpleess babies of afghans who can't even get critical medicine after deportation for their chrnoically ill children and literally babies. Here on this forum ONLY hate exists, for other muslims, Pakistan army and yes we ethnic Pakistani are NOT against our army. These people on this forum don't represent us, the true majority of Pakistan. Because most of them are our relatives.
So I wont' reply and just read and igore this messsage. I will go back to Pakistan in due time to create a true Pakistani defence forum heavily funded where we Pakistani can freely speak and show love towards other muslim nations without being attacked by those who love "traiter indian muslim ONLY" who we are suppose to sacrifice for by fighting against india all the time so that india can be coerced to be nice to those "Pakistan hating indfian muslims". When our army does it against india, its great otherwise here it is made to look like as if actual Pakistanis hate our military.
NO we don't. Its our bloody army.
Iran only problem is excessive pathalogical nationalism like many other muslim nations.
You can't sacrfice what you call arabs and I call muslims brothers and sisters (just like I call Iranians and Turks, Somalians and others and brothers and sisters) are not here to put themselve into danger for mostly insignicant intelligence collection. Instead become high degree of experts using more advanced means to collect that intelligence. Pakistani ISI has never ever had an agent defected. Nor we ask arabs or complain about even indian muslims to spy for us. in Pakistani intelligence training, Becauase they develop their strong muslim identity first despite their short commings rather than nationalists self entitled narcissts. . Sense of Islam prevents becoming a traiter, Nationalism is NO gaurantee. Hezbollah, lost due to their nationalism despit surface religiocism as Israel bought so many of them. Same is true for many intelligence Operatives in Iran.
Its true since there is data. Iran needs to see others as equal human beings. That's what muslims do.
Stil do realize, We love Iran. Iran is a brother. Iran will win this war against Israel regardless of some set backs. But Fight must be fought with honor that is not asking others to sacrifice their everything. They should do only what they safely can.
I say, let send overseas iranians to Israel and they should be given fake passports or real ones if you can get and send their famiilies to Israel and do what you are demanding of arabs civilans with families in Israel do to. WHY such thoughts did not occur to people in Iran. even though these thoughts are the only fair ones and justified ones.
Somethigs do not come from "intelligence" or wisdom. They come from Tofeeq or Guidance who ever Allah chooses to give.
Remeber always, a real muslim enters the battefield first, that too undefended, unwilling to use others as defence shields.
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