Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

If you had a airforce you could shoot them down. Right ✅
That's a million dollar question with an even expensive answer.

Shah of Iran envisaged Iranian air force as one of the best in the world and he did achieve that objective. The man (and I think his eldest son also) were trained fighter pilots, or at least trained on fighter jets, so he was hands on with things. F-14, F-5, and F-4 was a formidable lineup in the late 1970s and superior even to the Israeli air force. Undoubtedly the Iranian air force outperformed the Iraqis during the war between the two countries. The Shah may have been a political stooge for the West - although he seemed to have transcended that - but he had right ideas when it came to empowering Iran militarily. I also suspect Iran would have been a nuclear power by the late 1980s, around the same time as Pakistan, had he stuck around.

Of course, Khomeini didn't have the opportunity to keep Iranian air force updated. But in the past 10-20 years, Iran had all the opportunity to improve its air force with the Russian and/or Chinese assistance. Whatever these two countries would have provided would have been exponentially more advanced than what Iranian air force has right now. Some sort of ToT could have been discussed. But Iran just brushed the opportunities under the carpet and kept upgrading, redesigning, reverse engineering the F-5, the aircraft South Korea was once selling for $1. This is criminal neglect if you ask me.

IMO, ballistic missiles are good for offensive strikes but they cannot defend your nation from adversary's aggression. Medium and long-range ballistic missiles are also not a cost effective weapons if you carrying out conventional strikes with them. They work best with nukes to provide deterrence. But even the nuclear deterrence needs to be supported by strong conventional force.

As soon as this is over, Iran needs to go shopping.
 
What is wrong with looking for ceasefire?

Should Iran continue till it runs out of missiles? or the Americans join?
There will be conditions for a ceasefire and most probably not that favourable for Iran.

I think Israel's goal either way is at the very least now to significantly de-militarise Iran with these strikes and create a Yemen type of scenario where it can freely strike. Let alone nuclear weapons.

Regime change is the ultimate goal for them.
 
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We all knew that on PDF and have been saying that for over 10 years so what's new? indians have only 1 goal in life and that is to worship, venerate and obey the white european races. Nothing more.
 
It sad that there are 270 Million Muslims living in countries that share border with Israel directly or very closely, all of whom utterly hate Israel. Yet Isreal with just 6 Million Jews is holding them all hostage. If just 20 million Muslims, 7% of the total, decided to simply walk into Israel, just walk in .. nobody would be able to do a thing about it. The Jews will have to pack up and run away. yet that is precisely what these countries rulers seem to be helping avoid.

There was a March today, collectively made up of 30K confirmed attendees from north African countries wanting to break Rafah border and march into Gaza, with invitations for more Muslims to join in with them, yet Egypt and Libya are holding up and starving these people, throwing them back into forced flights, not letting them reach Israel. If only more neighbouring countries can gather the guts and start joining them in masses, Israelis will LITERALLY have to pack up and run away without anyone having to fire a bullet.

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probably regrouping to make big attack ...
I am thinking the same. Perhaps there need to reapply stealth coatings, replenish interceptor missiles etc.

Question is whether Iran should continue the barrage of missiles tonight and preempt the enemy?
 
This is alarming

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It sad that there are 270 Million Muslims living in countries that share border with Israel directly or very closely, all of whom utterly hate Israel. Yet Isreal with just 6 Million Jews is holding them all hostage. If just 20 million Muslims, 7% of the total, decided to simply walk into Israel, just walk in .. nobody would be able to do a thing about it. The Jews will have to pack up and run away. yet that is precisely what these countries rulers seem to be helping avoid.

There was a March today, collectively made up of 30K confirmed attendees from north African countries wanting to break Rafah border and march into Gaza, with invitations for more Muslims to join in with them, yet Egypt and Libya are holding up and starving these people, throwing them back into forced flights, not letting them reach Israel. If only more neighbouring countries can gather the guts and start joining them in masses, Israelis will LITERALLY have to pack up and run away without anyone having to fire a bullet.

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Myself included, the global Muslim populations have been psychologically neutered and weakened. The vast majority of us have lost our fighting spirit and mental strength. ThIs won't last forever but we need to somehow regain our zeal.
 
It is suicidal only if we have a doubt that the US would attack us.
If they're going to attack us anyway and it seems certain at this point, it's better to at least catch them by surprise. The one who strikes the first punch is able to take control of the flow of war for a while.
Agree.
I think Iran has already taken them by surprise. No one (even members on here ) could imagine the ease Iran could attack key sites in Israel. Its extraordinary and next level.
The most advances weaponry kindly donated for free - yet unable to defend against a few rockets.
The payload is juicy too - the damage is major.
 
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I wonder if the CNN will be saying the same about the US after a few days, in case if the US is stupid enough to jump into this mess ? should they not be learning from this ?
 
what about any proof related to F-35 drown? is there any truth in it?
Dude we almost made it 2 days without anyone asking about the F-35 being shot down. No IAF fighters down yet but as the war continues and IAF uses their fighters as much as they have been using them in short amount of time cht is going to happen. Pilots are likely overworked right now and a lot of the IAF fleet is down for maintenance. IAF only has 45 F-35's the heavy work is being done F-16's and old F-15's strapping them with tanks and JDAMS. When Israel launches a strike there's likely only 4 F-35's that go with them for EW and ISR. Their strike missions are pretty much over for now and are there for protection
 
This is alarming

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Iran also operates silos and magazine system

And i really doubt 120 launcher is "a third" of Iran's capabilities

Add to this that Israelis are DNA-anchored liars
 
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Indians being India. Trying to be a temu version of Israel.
Brown nosing Israel and their interests but wanting to snuggle up to Iran.
Iran has to put Iran first. I hope they now realize and let it register that the mindset of the Indian establishment. The fascination with white skin has got to Modi and his crew.....
 

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