Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

ShapurII said:
I have a bad feeling that something really terrible is going to happen soon.
Israel will be forced to stop after a while, but I think the US will get involved to finish the regime change.
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Calm down with the feelings bit! That's the issue with so many here. You're all succumbing to your feelings. Put feelings aside when it comes to military matters. Of course bad things will happen! God! Worst things will happen but as long as cool heads and calm hearts exist in Iran we will prevail no matter what.
 
Immortals said:
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And you believe Israeli figures? They even imposed nationwide censorship asking people not to film ballistic missiles and their impact points.

It is politically suicidal for Netanyahu to declare that hundreds of Israelis died and substantial damage was done, so they hide the true numbers.

Official Israeli figures - 860 Israeli soldiers killed in the Gaza war which is ridiculous considering the scale and duration of the war.
 
Musings said:
He banned you from the thread because hes extremely busy and knows you talk shit and didnt have the time to moderate you. I gave you the benefit of the doubt - now topic or il follow his line
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Musings, there's no point: if I respond to anti-Zionist comments then PG is in trouble as long as he shares responsibility for what remains posted here.
 
Aggregate said:
Well, granted Iran has been trying to be buddies with India, but did we leave Iran a choice in the past ? Yes maybe it was the wrong choice but Pakistan made sure more than Iran did, that Iran goes into India's camp.

We have been sabotaging Iran since the revolution, by being total vassal state of the Arabs. What was Iran supposed to do ? They are our neighbours but we were bypassing them to please everyone else, at their expense. In the meantime, their people have totally treated Pakistanis like their brothers.

Maybe after this episode is over, if we can also bring some balance to our relations between Arabs and Iran, then I am sure Iran will prefer us any day, over India. And as a disclaimer in every such post, so I do not
et bashed, I'm a Sunni, so yeah, my reply is not 'biased' in any way, its just simple fact.
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Reducing a complex geopolitical rift to one sided blame does little justice to the truth. It takes two to tango, and Iran’s own miscalculations played no small role in deepening the trust deficit and dismantling a relationship that once held promise. Both sides have paid the price. Now, more than ever, introspection is warranted..

The notion that Pakistan has been undermining Iran since the 1979 revolution is a widespread misconception. To suggest that bilateral relations deteriorated solely as a result of the Iranian Revolution overlooks important historical context. During this period, Pakistan was governed by General Zia-ul-Haq, a staunch Wahhabi/Deobandi whose ideological closeness to Arab states did contribute to some tensions with Iran. However, contrary to popular belief, Zia initially supported the Iranian revolution and endeavored to restore the diplomatic ties that had frayed during the tenure of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto.

The true source of the rift dates back to Bhutto’s era, particularly after 1971, when Pakistan decisively distanced itself from the United States and pivoted toward Arab nations in pursuit of financial aid and backing for its nuclear program. This realignment was strongly opposed by the Shah of Iran, a close ally of the US, who openly challenged Pakistan’s position. The Shah even refused to participate in Islamic summits convened by Bhutto, which aimed to forge an Islamic coalition primarily oriented against Western influence. The Shah’s opposition stemmed from his self-appointed role as the regional custodian of Western interests, viewing such a coalition as a direct threat.

During General Zia’s era, the geopolitical alignments were essentially reversed. Pakistan firmly re-entered the US camp, standing resolutely against the Soviet Union, while Iran emerged as one of the United States’ principal adversaries.

Until the mid-1970s, Pakistan and Iran had been close allies, united by their shared allegiance to the US. However, following Pakistan’s traumatic loss of East Pakistan in 1971 and perceived abandonment by Washington, Pakistan briefly distanced itself from its American patron. Iran, meanwhile, maintained its steadfast position within the US sphere.

With Zia’s ascent to power, Pakistan returned decisively to the US fold. Meanwhile, the Iranian Revolution decisively severed Tehran’s ties with Washington, pushing Iran firmly out of the US orbit. These shifts were dictated by the rigid bipolar world order of the Cold War era. India was always irrelevant

Today, as the global order transitions towards multipolarity, the old paradigms no longer hold. Both Pakistan and Iran would do well to embrace this changing landscape and seek new avenues for cooperation and mutual benefit. Both Iran and Pakistan face mounting existential threats, not only from Israel’s aggressive regional posture but also from the enduring pressures of Western imperialism.
 
At the moment, the Israelis are still doing more damage to the Iranians than vice versa. The Israelis have killed key senior leadership figures, destroyed missiles storage and bases, key nuclear installations, and attained almost complete air superiority to strike at will wherever they like. In contrast, the Iranian strikes have done no damage to the Israelis ability to conduct offensive operations against Iran. No Israeli airbases appear to be taken out of action, Israeli air defences are intact and still have a high percentage of destroying incoming Iranian missiles.
 
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don't think this guy has any chance of being installed into power even into a fully destroyed Iran ... he has gone too far
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He is your Karzai/Ashraf Ghani, our worst nightmare.
 
Foinikas said:
So Iran is not fascist Ukraine,but the jails are full of dissidents 😂
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Sure now you are world expert of iran. Have you actually been? I go many times as an American citizen. Never an issue.

In Iran you can dissident all you want. Many in Population do it everyday. But once you cross the line and start aiding foreign intelligence or start trying to start grass root organizations with the intent of overthrowing the government then you move from dissident to treason and will be persecuted. If you are just a wild village idiot then the police will just laugh and walk away.

So there are very few “innocent” dissidents sitting around Iranian jails just because they said a few slogans or held up a sign. Many do violent acts that land them in jail. Thats just Fox News and EuroNews bullshit. Meanwhile Trump deploys the National Guard and Marines in the land of the free to beat the shit out of protestors.
 
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