Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Brutal.]

Indians pretending to be israelis on X.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

Iran helped Pakistan because they had economic strength and an official military alliance pact with Pakistan (CENTO). Pakistan now has neither economic strength nor a military alliance pact with Iran. We bought HQ 9 for billions of dollars while just a few weeks ago we needed just $1 billion from IMF. We need to stay in our “aukaat”. We are in no position to help anyone no matter how much we fantasise.

Thank you. It's pretty simply that using 50 year old examples under totally different circumstances is ludicrous.

Since then Iranian and Pakistani relations have been poor in the background with Iran cozying up to the Indians, inviting it to Chahbhar, and many allegations of clandestine support to BLA. There is no defence pact.

Suddenly you can't expect someone to fight your war once you start losing. That's just blackmail. Support against insurgents and balkanisation fears is separate and will likely be addressed.

But Pakistans smart choice will be to strengthen diplomatic relations with China, EU and other partners, focus on its own economic growth, strengthen its own conventional and nuclear deterrence.

Even theoretically, Pakistan individually doesn't have the capacity to shift the outcome in terms of the current dynamics. US is soon to get involved.

Iran needed stronger alliances with partners like Russia & China.

 

[Shags101]

First attack today checking their defenses here comes the second one they’re saying it looks to be the biggest and most complex one so far

 

[mangekyo]

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That’s a drone

 

[Khansaheeb]

Israel moving troops to Egypt/Jordan/Syria/Lebanon border means they're paranoid from Hamas's Toofan Al-Aqsa operation still -- and they at least are imagining scenarios of a surprise ground incursion on their borders

Hamas caused them immense psychological damage

Must be the entire Israeli male population.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Iran tried to move large AD systems (Third Khordad) to Tehran today but it was bombed by Israel on the way

thankfully without the missiles

it shows (i) Iran still has plenty of AD systems in storage / other parts of country but (ii) cannot effectively deploy them while Israel is watching key routes 24/7

 

[Immortals]

how is Hermes-900 flying over Tehran? it is like 1500km+ from Israel meaning a 3000km roundtrip

they surely cannot be loitering over Iran for long

@Immortals @ShapurII

That’s an Iranian drone.

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[mulj]

Preventing balkanization is good enough and that can be accomplished by providing just enough 'under the radar' support to create a deterrence by Iran against Israel. And maybe Iran has now realized that its policy of extending its influence, partly for the Palestinian Cause and partly for imperialistic reasons, has failed and so time to rollback. I think that would be acceptable to the West.

Pakistan really can't do much given its economic dependence on the West and it being under a grave threat by a powerful hostile neighbor in India.

Palestinian cause is essence of IRI being and it will never be abandoned, although on the other hand they might be less rigid and more realistic about other regional actors and tune up their politics for their own protection and stability.

 

[Persian Gulf]

please stop making every post about India

India is not relevant to this thread

I will be issuing thread bans for off topic posts

 

[Shags101]

No looks like a f 14 it honestly as many decoys there are no one knows anything if anything let them wipe out ancient planes

 

[Solomon2]

...Al Busaidi said over the weekend that the sixth round of negotiations between Tehran and Washington scheduled for yesterday was canceled, but “diplomacy and dialogue remain the only pathway to lasting peace.”...

"Some world leaders are already issuing the usual calls for Israel and Iran to dial down the violence, like parents telling their kids to stop fighting--not because they care who’s right, but because they’re trying to get some sleep." link

 

[Falcon29]

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[TallGuy]

Spare parts for what? F-14s, S-300, etc?

My guess is at the moment Pakistan has provided moral support!

we guaranteed the territorial integrity of Iran (They required the Guarrantor) , then we provided what needed the most, Electronics/hard wired system with different protocols so at the moment, By grace of All Mighty Command & control has become operational. as time passes new security team will get proficient.

but it takes time - and as the time passes cost of infestation/termite increase manyfolds. but they are holding and tiring the george forman.

 

[Persian Gulf]

That’s an Iranian drone.

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not clear from that angle but would make sense

I wonder what they are using to surveil every movement of AD systems to Tehran

 

[Immortals]

So I have to assume these planes were non working or else

1) why weren’t they flown to Pakistan or the far East?

2) why aren’t they in the air patrolling?

3) even if non working why are they sitting outside in broad daylight without even a tarp or something to make it look like something else

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