Lessons for Pakistan from the Israel/Iran conflict of June 2025

[ResilientMind]

Lessons to learn?

1 - First and foremost, Your nukes are your lifeline, the day you give them up, you are gone. Nuclear weapons remain the ultimate deterrent against existential threat. One should have "ALL" means to deliver these to the home of enemy when the time comes.

2 - Keep your house "SAFE" & keep your "ASSETS" secure from espionage and terrorism Middle East has been neutralized & war is at your door from 2 destabilized neighbors, as if your own unstable areas were not enough for you.

a) Never rely on any tech thats based out of enemy, if i were Irani, i would rather use chinese mobiles and messengers than US-made ones.

3 - SURVEILLANCE, DETECTION & JAMMING is everything – you can hit only what you can see! AWACS, RADARS, DRONES, Intelligence gathering is absolutely vital for seeing threats coming and knowing where to strike. Get your hands to the next gen Chinese quantum radar or have a couple of Chinese base in gawadar.

4 - A formidable Air force is vital and that will only be effective if point 3 is achieved, otherwise an airforce doesn't suit to be used for targeting drones.

5 - Missiles & NAVY (A navy thats not sitting ducks even for the super power - you know what i mean).

6 - EXTREMELY effective Cyber force to protect your cyber space.

7. Prepare for War in the times of peace so that your tanks don't "RUN OUT OF OIL" when its time. Also don't make 1 million missiles without knowing how to rapidly launch them.

7 - Choose allies like Turkey (in Indian perspective) rather than Russians for Iran, who are reliable in times of war. in case of USA, i think China & China & may be China is the only option.

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Things to ponder upon after IL/US/NATO/WEST vs IR

1. Middle East is neutralized, who is next? When is your turn? Dont be naïve and tell me no, we are not in the line. how much time do you have?
2. How to create the ability to sustain such an enemy at your gates?
3. Are you having the weapon systems that can reach the homeland of USA if need be? cz thats gonna keep you safe.
4. When are you going to fix your economy while avoiding sanctions? Sanctions are cripple even the world powers & regional powers like Rus & Iran.

 

[FuturePAF]

Worth posting on the missiles channel

Please feel free to share there

 

[ARMalik]

1- Secure your strategic assets which include personnel.
2- Secure your airbases
3- Secure your supplies.
4- Go firmly in China's camp.
5- Get all the gadets. Get J-35s, DF-17, HQ-19, HQ-10 etc.etc. Ensure AI infusion. Ensure you have the right drones and anti-drone systems.
6- Ensure you KILL your enemy and don't let them live for the sake of some Tiktok videos.
7- DO NOT TRUST THE USA !
8- Go after Israel before this shitty little US colony comes for Pakistan.
9. ETC.

In addition to the above;

10. Have good and reliable Allies. The reason US is so successful is due to allies.

11. Be GOOD TO YOUR NEIGHBOURS and Good relationship with them. On the other Hand, Iran had issues with ALL ITS NEIGHBOURS. It has issues with all Gulf Nations. It has issues with Pakistan resulting in PAF bombing them. It has issues with Turkey. It has issues with Azerbijan. It has issues with A-Stan. It has issues with Iraq, in fact it help US kill thousands of Iraqis when US attcked Iraq. It has issues with Syria, it has issues Lebanon, and so forth.
Now that Iran is under attack, NO ONE HAS HELPED except for issuing useless statements. Even China and Russia have sat on the sidelines while Iran's top command is getting butchered and its nuclear facilities is being reduce to rubble. This is what you get when your behaviour is behaviour of a lunatic.

 

[imadul]

Biggest lessons:

1. War tactics morph as battles progress, which is planner need to find ingenious and audacious ways to target the enemy.

2. Defense should be as flexible as the enemy.

3. Drones are not just flown from outside bases but attacks can be planned from within - clandestine ops.

Ukraine- Operation Spiderweb
Israel- Rising Lion

4. Diverse, and dynamic on-the-go drones according to the dynamic requirements of battlefield commander.

5. Drones with AI+Operator controlled.

6. Cluster missile to defeat missile interception, though ethical issues are important. Unless world agrees to ban,
these missile could carry a payload of kinetic material to shower an umbrella area.

7. This is most important. Gone are the days of conventional warfare. The party more flexible to adopt and adapt tactics using on the go development will have advantage.

 

[ACE OF HEARTS]

Safe City Projects implemented swiftly covering atleast cities with half a million population and those with critical assets and infrastructure.

Any governmental / bureaucratic delay should be dealt with severe punishments.

Cyber Crime Wing / Command / authority should be fully autonomous and results of complaints / investigations / inquiry completed within a month. All resources provided at its disposal.

Economic development led by civilians, who can accelerate business activity very quickly, effectively and efficiently.

Infrastructure development accelerated and any hindrance by governments / bureaucratic, be it federal or provincial, swiftly taken care off and punished severely. An automated centralised system should be establishing monitoring any project in the country worth Rs 100 million or more, so that any delay / corruption can be pointed out and resolved quickly.

More money for the federation and the provincial pool should be revised and reduced. Agricultural income tax has the potential of atleast Rs 1 trillion, which should be taken over by the federation and relevant ammendments made to the 18th Ammendment, providing the much needed money for defence.

More federating units to ensure that more people are represented at the provincial level and smaller provinces ensure that more resources are reaching the public, for accelerated development and poverty reduction.

Making sure to gain ground permanently, in the north of the country, in the disputed territories, to secure the source of our water permanently. 600+ 4 / 4.5 generation aircraft and a two million active Duty army is essential, to add / anex new territories, in the north of the country.

Of course you need a functioning economy to support all of the above.

Unless, financial and economical Independence is not achieved, any short term miltary enhancement / procurement is going to be short lived and strings will always be pulled, either by the western nations, our brothers in the middle east or simply by diverting water at the source in Jammu and Kashmir, making Pakistan's fertile land dry and barren, crippling Pakistan feom within, without needing to invade or attack Pakistan.

 

[Watandar]

Useless topic. Pakistan establishment hasnt learned anything since the 1950s because it has never been held accountable. It has enjoyed uninterrupted power and wealth and remains stuck in its rent seeking ways.

Until there is Ehtesaab these Grade 22 duffers will continue screwing Pakistan until one day it collapses or is overwhelmed. We saw this already in East Pakistan.

 

[Haider082025]

The main lesson should be that Chini people will never get into any kind of physical confrontation outside of their home turf where they can use human wave tactics. They are traders and will make a buck selling Iran to the highest bidder (US, Israel or S.Arabia)

 

[Watandar]

The main lesson should be that Chini people will never get into any kind of physical confrontation outside of their home turf where they can use human wave tactics. They are traders and will make a buck selling Iran to the highest bidder (US, Israel or S.Arabia)

That makes no sense. The ones who seem to have made a backroom deal to backstab Iran here is Putin.

 

[Haider082025]

That makes no sense. The ones who seem to have made a backroom deal to backstab Iran here is Putin.

I said they cannot walk the talk. The impact to China if Iran hits shipping is three fold

1. Their Oil from middle east is gone. Meaning their economy will crash, so will India's, two major BRICS players
2. Their dependence on Russian oil will increase dramatically. Putin will squeeze Xi. Its a win for Russia
3. If Iran is gone, no CPEC, no belt and roads. They are now just a pacific power thats all bottled up by US/Japan/Taiwan/Philippines.

 

[Watandar]

I said they cannot walk the talk. The impact to China if Iran hits shipping is three fold

1. Their Oil from middle east is gone. Meaning their economy will crash, so will India's, two major BRICS players
2. Their dependence on Russian oil will increase dramatically. Putin will squeeze Xi. Its a win for Russia
3. If Iran is gone, no CPEC, no belt and roads. They are now just a pacific power thats all bottled up by US/Japan/Taiwan/Philippines.

Ah ok. Yes China is primarily about business and self interest and doesnt want to get too involved anywhere and can dump Pakistan also if things get too hot. Pakistani overreliance on China is actually a vulnerability they are blind to.

 

[Fatman17]

Invest in a strong airforce.

 

[Serendipity]

In addition to the above;

10. Have good and reliable Allies. The reason US is so successful is due to allies.

11. Be GOOD TO YOUR NEIGHBOURS and Good relationship with them. On the other Hand, Iran had issues with ALL ITS NEIGHBOURS. It has issues with all Gulf Nations. It has issues with Pakistan resulting in PAF bombing them. It has issues with Turkey. It has issues with Azerbijan. It has issues with A-Stan. It has issues with Iraq, in fact it help US kill thousands of Iraqis when US attcked Iraq. It has issues with Syria, it has issues Lebanon, and so forth.
Now that Iran is under attack, NO ONE HAS HELPED except for issuing useless statements. Even China and Russia have sat on the sidelines while Iran's top command is getting butchered and its nuclear facilities is being reduce to rubble. This is what you get when your behaviour is behaviour of a lunatic.

This is true. There isn't a muslim neighbour Iran has not directly attacked, Pakistan included. To then be shocked that they aren't helping you is either naive or delusional. Pakistan did its best for Iran. Should look into patching things with Afghans as best as possible as well. Should build up further with existing military and financial allies. But ultimately we all know there is only one really deterrent combination that works, the one keeping North Korea safe.

 

[Pakistanithinktank]

Invest in a strong airforce.

That’s not enough. In today’s world, winning a war requires more than just military power — it demands a combination of air, land, sea, cyber, and intelligence capabilities, backed by strong leadership and public support. To have a strong defense, Pakistan must focus on building a strong economy, as true national security begins with internal stability. Political reforms, economic growth, and job creation are essential. A united, self-reliant, and economically resilient Pakistan is key to both effective defense and global respect.

 

[SuperMAG]

The first step win in today's war air superiority and to get that we need to destroy almost all air defense and jets, i will leave the jets part to PAF since they are very good at it.


its often simple strategies can defeat all Indian based air defense.

Lets start with ground based air defense. to deal with them you first need to identify their location, for that we need drones like harop and identify locations and bookmark their location. add to that all the airbases already identified by satellites. After identification the attack plan need to be started for that location immediately.

Now to deal with those pisky things, for a country as poor as Pakistan, we cant just volley fatah and other cruse missiles in big numbers as it is unfeasible for our economy and factories to produce expensive items in large numbers.

Now what is the solution, Hamas rockets, a simple pipe based chemical reaction design that costs around 200$ according to hamas, extend their range upto 1000km which would probably worth around say 500$. tinker it a bit enough so its accuracy is around 50m cep. just put some cheapest material and make sure they produce some fire, might get lucky killing something or at least the enemy will take it seriously and shoot it down. please not that it should be shot from big truck with like 20-30 rockets per truck. the amount needed for say india is around 15000 rockets.

Now the attack strategy is instead of slow drones that can be shot by air guns, just volley say 300 hamas rockets and mix some real rockets/missiles/drones/cruise and once you think the rockets aren't getting shot down due to their air defence missiles running out, bomb the shit out them with more real rockets/missiles/drones/cruise and still some rockets, to totally destroy their air defence unit.

After the volley sent in real drones with missiles and delete anything that remains there. infact now that you have air superiority in that area of say 100km, send in all the missile carrying drones and wipe out all the enemy on the ground and their vehicle's Azerbaijan/turkey style. Then you can advance with tanks and solders and all the equipment to take that territory (Kashmir).

My second though today is always keep at least 5 backup radar system deep underground where even moab wont harm it, so if or when a radar is taken out like first day in iran, it is replaced and the enemy never gets air superiority. same goes for underground jets/drones/missiles airbases. only take them out to open airbases and replace the originals *with decoys* when need and always keep backup in storage deep underground. when taking them out for shoot and scoot always take decoys motors.

Btw does anyone knows the speed of hamas rockets (sugar fertilizer ones) vs shahed drones, the rockets should be faster yes?

Because I think it's quite easy to shoot low speed drones with air defense Guns then those rockets, should be at round supersonic yes?

The question is loss of accuracy for speed.

Or perhaps a waves of cheap hamas rockets with ai based radar seeking cheap kamakaze drones with timing that rockets reach seconds before drones.

What do you guys think, I think if we add few Fatah's to that equation would be quite effective, adding second wave of internal isi drones from inside the enemy county Ukraine style.

 

[Toxic]

We need to start moving bases out of Urban centers