Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Olympus81 said:
If the news and social media tweets are anything to go by, it seems Iran is not willing to back down.

This has a potential to escalate very quickly. Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis do not have a strong C&C for various reasons, which means the officer level may get trigger happy and escalate to a point of no return.

My suggestion to the Iranians would be to sit down and negotiate an off ramp.
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If you believe the prediction that Japan is gonna be destroyed by a Megaquake on early July next month then I'm afraid de-escalation is not an option.

It does seem the world is coming to an end, so WW3 might just start after the Megaquake devastates Japan and China pounces on Taiwan? World leaders might know something we commoners don't know, if we try to analyze the current world events from a Conspiracy Theorist perspective......
 
Olympus81 said:
If the news and social media tweets are anything to go by, it seems Iran is not willing to back down.

This has a potential to escalate very quickly. Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis do not have a strong C&C for various reasons, which means the officer level may get trigger happy and escalate to a point of no return.

My suggestion to the Iranians would be to sit down and negotiate an off ramp.
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How can Iran trust anything trumpy and yahu say?

Yahu wants Iran missile capability gone if enrichment was a red line can Iran accept having no way to defend their selves?

Ultimate goal is regime change. Under these conditions Iran has few choices they could accept a ceasefire and find their selves under constant attack like we saw in Lebanon. Both of these war mongers understand peace through strength so Iran might be forced to keep fighting.
 
tower9 said:
You really gotta give it to these Yemenis.

Probably the most based people in the world. Straight up warriors to the bone. Yemen reached deep into their pockets and discovered that they had absolute no fukks to give.
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Well, the Houthis are always barefooted and feel nothing to lose.

Iran, on the other hand, always aspires to become a great power with great technology and economy, and didn't want to jeopardize an opportunity on the sight.

If we do evaluate things from their perspective, should be understandable that their leaders made up such decision to mend the ties with the west, also partially thanked to the delusional trap set up by the Democrats.

That's why that the Democrats are just as bad for Iran as the GOP.
 
ChineseTiger1986 said:
The old PDF was banned, but not sure about this one.

Yep, I live oversea for a long time ago and was well known by the old PDF since 2010.

I don't pretend a mainland Chinese still live in China, and my hometown was Shanghai.

That's why my way of writing is more mainlander-esque compared to those Chinese members from HK/Taiwan or born oversea.
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Yes. I also think you're overseas Chinese and he's probably not Chinese. With words like “report to MSS”, he would be from a country that stereotypes China as the USSR.
 
arjunk said:
USAF likely drilled through the enrichment area, rather than destroying the whole mountain.

Enrichment chamber either destroyed, irradiated, full of rubble or all of the above.
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Destroying an entire small mountain requires minimum a Thermonuclear Bomb, and a high yield one at that (think 15 MT-20 MT+) and for deeply buried bunkers underneath might not even reach it via explosion but can collapse the entire mountain rubble on it effectively causing anyone there buried alive?
 
ety said:
Taiwan is a China's core interest of Chinese core interests, a Chinese territory both legally and historically. And US ? Taiwan is not US land, not even US's vital interest. If you look that way, any back off of US interests in East Asia or the world means the beginning of the end of US domination. US doesn't own the world as Americans like to think.
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I know, which is why China should take Taiwan. This will reduce US power greatly. If Israel is gone also, the. US will be a mere regional power.
 
Olympus81 said:
If the news and social media tweets are anything to go by, it seems Iran is not willing to back down.

This has a potential to escalate very quickly. Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis do not have a strong C&C for various reasons, which means the officer level may get trigger happy and escalate to a point of no return.

My suggestion to the Iranians would be to sit down and negotiate an off ramp.
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Why should they sit to negotiate? And negotiate what? Surrender?

Its due time someone made these pathetic bullies payback in the same coin. As far as regional "peace" is concerned, its only a matter of time thay ziopigs chose another target to destroy.

Look at the past 50 years and see how many "paece" agreements were made by ziopigs and how many did they honor.

The problem with muslim nations isnt about lack of firepower, but rather will to use it, and that has embolded the ziopigs to the extent that they now operate across multiple countries without any fear.
 
🔹 1. What Can 6 MOPs Do?
  • Each MOP is capable of penetrating up to 60 meters of reinforced concrete, or slightly more in soil or fractured rock—but granite is extremely dense, and Fordow is buried ~90 meters deep under a granite mountain, not just inside a hill or under a slab of concrete.
  • Hitting the same spot repeatedly might compound the penetration effect if spaced properly, but:
    • Granite absorbs shock and disperses energy,
    • There’s a limit to compounding effect in real-world conditions,
    • Intelligence on internal layout would have to be extremely precise to cause total destruction.
🔹 2. Likely Outcome with 6 MOPs

Entrances, exits, and access tunnels likely destroyed.
  • Surface and shallow underground structures (like air filters, transformers, generators, or stairwells) probably devastated.
  • Upper chambers might be damaged or collapsed if they’re near the blast zone.
  • Main centrifuge halls, located deeper in the mountain, are likely intact unless the U.S. hit a known shaft leading directly to them.
🔹 3. Technical Challenges

Precision: You’d need near-perfect targeting on the same impact point, ideally in sequence—not just scatter-bombing the area.
  • Mountain structure: Fordow isn’t just 90m below flat land—it’s embedded in a mountain, with granite acting like armor.
  • Seismic sensors worldwide would likely register collapses of such magnitude. There’s no international confirmation of a deep collapse.
🔹 4. Propaganda Angle
  • U.S. claims: “Completely destroyed” → Psychological warfare aimed at Iran and its allies. May also serve to boost political standing or pressure negotiations.
  • Iran claims: “Only entrances damaged” → Downplaying for morale and deterrence, but also likely closer to engineering reality.
🔹 5. Strategic Analysis

If Fordow was truly destroyed:

IAEA inspectors or satellite footage would eventually confirm it.
  • Iran would escalate response dramatically—not just politically but potentially militarily.
  • Iran might rush to rebuild, or even exit the NPT and go fully nuclear.
  • There would be global intel leaks, seismic data, and massive international response.
We haven’t seen that yet.

✅ Conclusion:

Even with 6 MOPs, a full destruction of Fordow is unlikely without:

Exact intel on weak points,
  1. Follow-up confirmation (seismic collapse, satellite imagery),
  2. Additional sabotage or advanced new weaponry.
Most likely scenario:
  • Entrances, exits, and some upper-level infrastructure were destroyed.
  • Main centrifuge chambers probably survived, especially if buried in the deeper protected zones.
 
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