Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

If the news and social media tweets are anything to go by, it seems Iran is not willing to back down.

This has a potential to escalate very quickly. Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis do not have a strong C&C for various reasons, which means the officer level may get trigger happy and escalate to a point of no return.

My suggestion to the Iranians would be to sit down and negotiate an off ramp.

Why should they sit to negotiate? And negotiate what? Surrender?

Its due time someone made these pathetic bullies payback in the same coin. As far as regional "peace" is concerned, its only a matter of time thay ziopigs chose another target to destroy.

Look at the past 50 years and see how many "paece" agreements were made by ziopigs and how many did they honor.

The problem with muslim nations isnt about lack of firepower, but rather will to use it, and that has embolded the ziopigs to the extent that they now operate across multiple countries without any fear.
 
🔹 1. What Can 6 MOPs Do?
  • Each MOP is capable of penetrating up to 60 meters of reinforced concrete, or slightly more in soil or fractured rock—but granite is extremely dense, and Fordow is buried ~90 meters deep under a granite mountain, not just inside a hill or under a slab of concrete.
  • Hitting the same spot repeatedly might compound the penetration effect if spaced properly, but:
    • Granite absorbs shock and disperses energy,
    • There’s a limit to compounding effect in real-world conditions,
    • Intelligence on internal layout would have to be extremely precise to cause total destruction.
🔹 2. Likely Outcome with 6 MOPs

Entrances, exits, and access tunnels likely destroyed.
  • Surface and shallow underground structures (like air filters, transformers, generators, or stairwells) probably devastated.
  • Upper chambers might be damaged or collapsed if they’re near the blast zone.
  • Main centrifuge halls, located deeper in the mountain, are likely intact unless the U.S. hit a known shaft leading directly to them.
🔹 3. Technical Challenges

Precision: You’d need near-perfect targeting on the same impact point, ideally in sequence—not just scatter-bombing the area.
  • Mountain structure: Fordow isn’t just 90m below flat land—it’s embedded in a mountain, with granite acting like armor.
  • Seismic sensors worldwide would likely register collapses of such magnitude. There’s no international confirmation of a deep collapse.
🔹 4. Propaganda Angle
  • U.S. claims: “Completely destroyed” → Psychological warfare aimed at Iran and its allies. May also serve to boost political standing or pressure negotiations.
  • Iran claims: “Only entrances damaged” → Downplaying for morale and deterrence, but also likely closer to engineering reality.
🔹 5. Strategic Analysis

If Fordow was truly destroyed:

IAEA inspectors or satellite footage would eventually confirm it.
  • Iran would escalate response dramatically—not just politically but potentially militarily.
  • Iran might rush to rebuild, or even exit the NPT and go fully nuclear.
  • There would be global intel leaks, seismic data, and massive international response.
We haven’t seen that yet.

✅ Conclusion:

Even with 6 MOPs, a full destruction of Fordow is unlikely without:

Exact intel on weak points,
  1. Follow-up confirmation (seismic collapse, satellite imagery),
  2. Additional sabotage or advanced new weaponry.
Most likely scenario:
  • Entrances, exits, and some upper-level infrastructure were destroyed.
  • Main centrifuge chambers probably survived, especially if buried in the deeper protected zones.
 
Man i shouldnt have slept. Did us attack ? I bet it didnt do any damage. Even 10 mops wont do anything.
 
Yes. I also think you're overseas Chinese and he's probably not Chinese. With words like “report to MSS”, he would be from a country that stereotypes China as the USSR.

I was born in Mainland China, and the oversea Mainland Chinese only exhibit two types of behavior; either being extremely ultra-nationalist like me, or urgently need to embrace the new western identity that they can never obtain due their skin color.

BTW, we have enough off-topic here, let's go back.
 
Man i shouldnt have slept. Did us attack ? I bet it didnt do any damage. Even 10 mops wont do anything.
The US did attack you didn't miss much they claim to have dropped 12 MOPs.

Iranians fired off a large Salvo at Israel - turned a part of Telaviv into Kabul.
 
🔹 1. What Can 6 MOPs Do?
  • Each MOP is capable of penetrating up to 60 meters of reinforced concrete, or slightly more in soil or fractured rock—but granite is extremely dense, and Fordow is buried ~90 meters deep under a granite mountain, not just inside a hill or under a slab of concrete.
  • Hitting the same spot repeatedly might compound the penetration effect if spaced properly, but:
    • Granite absorbs shock and disperses energy,
    • There’s a limit to compounding effect in real-world conditions,
    • Intelligence on internal layout would have to be extremely precise to cause total destruction.
🔹 2. Likely Outcome with 6 MOPs

Entrances, exits, and access tunnels likely destroyed.
  • Surface and shallow underground structures (like air filters, transformers, generators, or stairwells) probably devastated.
  • Upper chambers might be damaged or collapsed if they’re near the blast zone.
  • Main centrifuge halls, located deeper in the mountain, are likely intact unless the U.S. hit a known shaft leading directly to them.
🔹 3. Technical Challenges

Precision: You’d need near-perfect targeting on the same impact point, ideally in sequence—not just scatter-bombing the area.
  • Mountain structure: Fordow isn’t just 90m below flat land—it’s embedded in a mountain, with granite acting like armor.
  • Seismic sensors worldwide would likely register collapses of such magnitude. There’s no international confirmation of a deep collapse.
🔹 4. Propaganda Angle
  • U.S. claims: “Completely destroyed” → Psychological warfare aimed at Iran and its allies. May also serve to boost political standing or pressure negotiations.
  • Iran claims: “Only entrances damaged” → Downplaying for morale and deterrence, but also likely closer to engineering reality.
🔹 5. Strategic Analysis

If Fordow was truly destroyed:

IAEA inspectors or satellite footage would eventually confirm it.
  • Iran would escalate response dramatically—not just politically but potentially militarily.
  • Iran might rush to rebuild, or even exit the NPT and go fully nuclear.
  • There would be global intel leaks, seismic data, and massive international response.
We haven’t seen that yet.

✅ Conclusion:

Even with 6 MOPs, a full destruction of Fordow is unlikely without:

Exact intel on weak points,
  1. Follow-up confirmation (seismic collapse, satellite imagery),
  2. Additional sabotage or advanced new weaponry.
Most likely scenario:
  • Entrances, exits, and some upper-level infrastructure were destroyed.
  • Main centrifuge chambers probably survived, especially if buried in the deeper protected zones.
We likely wont know for a while, trumpy always like to claim victory before its achieved.
 
Never forget. That big war is being engineered as we speak. Might be a couple of weeks away. They'll drag the US in by hook or crook.....a weight the US economy won't be able to bare. Jews have used and abused the American people and whored their nation to establish Israel. The UK is the master planner and Dajjals Island mentioned by Tamim Al Dari......

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Seriously though, if there is any dajjal you need to know about it is that minor dajjjal Imran Hosein
 
This is not the first time India has backstabbed Iran

However Iran has some sort of one sided love for India, kind of the way American Christians have one sided love for Israel.

I can't understand it. I won't try. But it exists and we have to acknowledge it and deal with it accordingly.

Seperate topic for another day.
 
Why should they sit to negotiate? And negotiate what? Surrender?

Its due time someone made these pathetic bullies payback in the same coin. As far as regional "peace" is concerned, its only a matter of time thay ziopigs chose another target to destroy.

Look at the past 50 years and see how many "paece" agreements were made by ziopigs and how many did they honor.

The problem with muslim nations isnt about lack of firepower, but rather will to use it, and that has embolded the ziopigs to the extent that they now operate across multiple countries without any fear.
That firepower comes from the same sugardaddy of the pariah they are fighting
 
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These zionist paid good cops and perennial loser democrats always propose bills that are bound to fail.
 

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