PAF J-35AE - News, Updates and Discussions

[MH.Yang]

First for Pakistan and India to ever reconcile the Kashmir issue must be solved, but thats a long way from solving


We need to prove to them that we are peaceful first, so we must first of all extradite or Hang Hafiz Saeed, he is of no use

Then India has to prove that it can stay true to its word.


Both countries should solve their issues to address the bigger enemy

Don't get me wrong, I don't mean sacrificing Pakistan's interests for regional peace. I just think that both Pakistan and India are neighbors that can't be moved, and this is an era where it's impossible to slaughter hundreds of millions of people, so ultimately both countries need to move towards peace. Of course, populist governments like Modi must go.

 

[StormBreaker]

Interesting revelation made in the latest edition of AFM. PAF is not the first export customer of the J-35!!!

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Pakistan Navy it is

 

[Mav3rick]

What is the possibility of a PAF flypast in J-35A on 14th August this year?

 

[arjunk]

hanks for bringing this up, especially since I thought you were well-versed in this subject. Just one correction: Pakistan did manage to divert many BrahMos missiles, but a few still got through and caused minor damage to key installations. This wasn’t a total failure, but it did expose critical gaps in the current air defense setup.

To address this, Pakistan is actively exploring multiple options, both short-term fixes and long-term upgrades. These include evaluating systems like Italy’s CAMM-ER, Germany’s IRIS-T SLM, Russia’s S-500, and Turkey’s SİPER and HİSAR series. Each offers different strengths in intercepting high-speed, low-altitude threats like BrahMos.

At the same time, Pakistan is also investing in next-gen technologies like microwave and laser-based directed energy weapons, aiming to build a more agile and cost-effective defense layer—especially useful against saturation attacks or swarm drones.

In short, the goal is to move toward a hybrid, multi-layered defense model that blends kinetic interceptors, electronic warfare, and directed energy systems to better handle evolving threats.

Quality of air defence is not the issue, quantity is. IT is easier to get J-35 than to buy 10,000 interceptors and pray for a 100% interception rate

 

[Yasser76]

What is the possibility of a PAF flypast in J-35A on 14th August this year?

You know, even if we are not due to get our birds for another year or so, even if it was a PLAAF/AVIC owned plane with Chinese pilot and in PAF colours. That would send one absolute hell of a message to India in the very year 7th May happened.....

 

[arjunk]

No one is taking this lightly. We are fully aware of India's ambitions. Of course, we are also aware of India's capabilities. Tibet is a distant fantasy for them.

PLAGF's troop strength along the China-India border is indeed very limited. However, China has deployed a significant number of PAP troops in Tibet. In contrast, those Tibetans influenced by religious ideology pose a far greater threat than the Indian military. Fortunately, thanks to China's sustained efforts in Tibet over the years, the situation has improved significantly.

Sorry, we've strayed off topic. Let's conclude this discussion.

Ok

I know that many Pakistanis are greatly influenced by the Indian media. Therefore, I am not prepared to discuss the issue of BrahMos with you.

??? Should I say that Chinese greatly are influenced by American media and therefore I am not prepared to discuss military issues with you either?

The FC-31 and BrahMos are two completely unrelated issues. Whether or not the PAF has the FC-31 has nothing to do with India's BrahMos.

If Pakistan really wants to defend against BrahMos, dedicated electronic warfare aircraft and air defense systems are the best choice.

Not when the Indians have thousands of Brahmos. Our budget is tight and strategic depth is shallow. It's cheaper to use J-35 to conduct SEAD and send the Army and PAF to hunt IAF and Brahmos on the ground, than it is to be a sitting duck and let the Indians fire thousands of missiles until our interceptor stocks run out.

You go from one extreme to another.
This kind of thinking is not healthy.

You don't seem to understand the stakes in an India-Pakistan war.

For India even if it loses an entire state (kashmir, south tibet, ladakh), it can walk away with a bloody nose (and delude its population into claiming victory). In fact in the case of Kashmir they are multiple UN resolutions calling for a referendum so there is no shame for India in following those resolutions. India does not depend on kashmir's water either, unlike Pakistan.

For Pakistan, such wars are existential. It is not possible for us to lose a major city, much less a whole province. Neither can we afford to spend years fighting a long war, as long wars favour the bigger country.

You should study Pakistan's nuclear doctrine. There is very little tolerance for losses in Pakistan -- much less losing an existential war. There is a reason the world intervenes to stop India-Pakistan conflicts, and that reason is Pakistan's low nuclear threshold and first strike policy.

 

[Pakistanithinktank]

Quality of air defence is not the issue, quantity is. IT is easier to get J-35 than to buy 10,000 interceptors and pray for a 100% interception rate

Sir, with all due respect, you missed the most important part of my post. Pakistan is seeking microwave and laser-based directed energy weapons. They will be used as an interceptor. When we talk about Hybrid multilayered air defence, all of this is included.

 

[arjunk]

Sir, with all due respect, you missed the most important part of my post. Pakistan is seeking microwave and laser-based directed energy weapons. They will be used as an interceptor. When we talk about Hybrid multilayered air defence, all of this is included.

That is true, but these are new technologies and I'm not sure as to when they can be reliably mass deployed against the threats from India

 

[maverick]

no punt intended @Deino , but your lol days are gone, J35 is coming in 2035-2036

 

[Pakistanithinktank]

Let’s not go in circles, this topic has been dissected repeatedly. The Pakistani military is already evaluating a range of short and long term solutions. I’m not losing sleep over it, and neither should you. Defense strategy isn’t a group project for online forums. The professionals know what they’re doing.

Not everything should be broadcasted on public forums. If you’re expecting a step-by-step breakdown of Pakistan’s defense doctrine, you’re looking in the wrong place. Some things are better left off the internet.

Also, let’s keep it meaningful, there’s no need to write novels filled with fluff. Take time to read, understand, and analyze the situation before responding and keep it sharp, not bloated. The point here is to exchange informed, concise perspectives, not flood threads with noise.

The recent four-day conflict between Pakistan and India has already sparked deep analysis across military circles, from air forces to defense think tanks worldwide. Everyone’s studying “the good, the bad, and the ugly”, so let’s elevate the conversation, not derail it.

 

[Oscar]

no punt intended @Deino , but your lol days are gone, J35 is coming in 2035-2036

Based on that date he would be very accurate

 

[Oscar]

Ok

??? Should I say that Chinese greatly are influenced by American media and therefore I am not prepared to discuss military issues with you either?

Not when the Indians have thousands of Brahmos. Our budget is tight and strategic depth is shallow. It's cheaper to use J-35 to conduct SEAD and send the Army and PAF to hunt IAF and Brahmos on the ground, than it is to be a sitting duck and let the Indians fire thousands of missiles until our interceptor stocks run out.

You don't seem to understand the stakes in an India-Pakistan war.

For India even if it loses an entire state (kashmir, south tibet, ladakh), it can walk away with a bloody nose (and delude its population into claiming victory). In fact in the case of Kashmir they are multiple UN resolutions calling for a referendum so there is no shame for India in following those resolutions. India does not depend on kashmir's water either, unlike Pakistan.

For Pakistan, such wars are existential. It is not possible for us to lose a major city, much less a whole province. Neither can we afford to spend years fighting a long war, as long wars favour the bigger country.

You should study Pakistan's nuclear doctrine. There is very little tolerance for losses in Pakistan -- much less losing an existential war. There is a reason the world intervenes to stop India-Pakistan conflicts, and that reason is Pakistan's low nuclear threshold and first strike policy.

Indians do not have Thousands of Brahmos - perhaps 900 of all types and varieties of which only 200-250 at exaggerated maximum ready in launch platforms across land, sea and air.

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

Indians do not have Thousands of Brahmos - perhaps 900 of all types and varieties of which only 200-250 at exaggerated maximum ready in launch platforms across land, sea and air.

Earlier, if there weren’t that many, now they will definitely make more. Because, apart from BrahMos in conventional warfare, they have nothing to counter Pakistan. Their air force was already wiped out on the first day.

 

[arjunk]

Indians do not have Thousands of Brahmos - perhaps 900 of all types and varieties of which only 200-250 at exaggerated maximum ready in launch platforms across land, sea and air.

Hmm, it's not as bad as I thought then.

~1800 interceptors and ~500 (~100+ launch vehicles) ready to launch every hour or so for brahmos alone is still quite draining for an economy like Pakistan's IMO. (ignoring soft-kill defense which is too classified to reliably speculate on)

They also have Agni-P, which I believe is the primary target of HQ-19. I don't know if SRBM like Agni P can be soft killed.

@Deino is this post from AVIC confirming PAF acquired J-35A true?

 

[lightning f57]

Hmm, it's not as bad as I thought then.

~1800 interceptors and ~500 (~100+ launch vehicles) ready to launch every hour or so for brahmos alone is still quite draining for an economy like Pakistan's IMO. (ignoring soft-kill defense which is too classified to reliably speculate on)

They also have Agni-P, which I believe is the primary target of HQ-19. I don't know if SRBM like Agni P can be soft killed.

@Deino is this post from AVIC confirming PAF acquired J-35A true?


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No does not say that.