Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Ali_Baba]

That's surrender and has bad long term implications for Iran.

To be effective resistance you have to be willing to fight it out and follow through with the plan. Not call it quits and run away from battlefield.

Yes - it is surrender for now. But, Iran has no real choice. It has been totally beaten in its goals.

 

[FuturePAF]

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It’s not the immediate kinetic loses but the loss of trust. Any one that values strategic autonomy, like France, will build their needs domestically or buy from a third party (like their recent decision to buy the Erieye). Economic ramifications for this, at least in the eastern hemisphere will last for decades. Trump maybe fickle, but his decision was a systemic one; regardless of who was in charge it would have been the same decision, dictated by interests.

I think the nuclear powers, that aren’t dependent on the US (like the UK) build up their arsenals; France, China, Russia, India, Israel, North Korea and Pakistan.

 

[Kharral]

we should publish all nuclear technology secret publicly, that will hurt the west more than anything....

In typically Pakistani fashion I’d say do no such thing. Use the fog to your advantage, close & clear your ranks & carry on with a singular focus.

Come out with the ultimate surprise.

 

[mangekyo]

Its too expensive and means US is now fighting a third war in the Mideast, which is politically damaging to Trump. He can get away with a one off attack on Iranian nuke program.

But he can’t get reelected, so what’s the problem?

 

[arjunk]

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Iranian army somehow sent a drone to Kazakhstan

The target:

 

[OldTwilight]

that is what hurting the most. i can not believe even Sa-7 type old MANPAD are no where to be seen.

if MANPADs are there then only reason they can fly unimpeded in Iran (MALE/HALE) is because Iran is effectively Blind.

Painfully obvious!

You know , the attack on Fordow , the first day attack on our commanders are nothing compare the frustration of these drone roaming in our sky freely

 

[brazensword]

My guess is trump carried out this useless op to shake satanyahu and israel off his back. Now he's like i want peace so its a hint that he won't get involved again since he's supposedly destroyed irani uranium facilities and if satanyahu isn't satisfied he can fight it out with Iran on his own.

It did lead to downgrading Iran's military by several notches though, and the GCC couldn't be happier.

 

[Falcon29]

This guy has megalomania and a obsession with the throne
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Netanyahu says he will run in the upcoming elections in the entity because his people want "more achievements."

Whose turn is it?

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[Musings]

Can we please ban Iranclad as a source in this thread? He's a clown.

@Persian Gulf @RescueRanger @Musings

Just report the post and we will delete

 

[FuturePAF]

IR didn't dare to attack Intel FAB in Israel, and people except them to attack usa military assets

IRI is going to land one salvo into Israel, as a face saving move, and Israel will probably wind down its Attacks today, ahead of trading on Wall Street tomorrow. Part of a back channel deal to let Iran say the attack didn’t work, so the Iranian public doesn’t overthrow them. The terms of the deal will probably come out in the next few days and they probably won’t be good for the IRI; inspection of the sites for a BDA.

Iran’s present just said he’s open to dialogue.

 

[brazensword]

we should publish all nuclear technology secret publicly, that will hurt the west more than anything....

Bruh get some guys who are in taqleed of a different marja who oks the bomb and then just make it. I can't believe I have to share the below graphic. Plaster it all over Iran.

 

[Falcon29]

Yes - it is surrender for now. But, Iran has no real choice. It has been totally beaten in its goals.

It has a choice to fight it out. Odds are against it coming out on top but it's the better choice than surrender. Same with Hamas in Gaza.

For some reason Hezbollah in Lebanon quickly surrendered despite not needing to. And now they won't help.

Ansarallah in Yemen was subjected to a extended US campaign which eventually came to an end.

This is a war of existential nature. They're trying to knock out the entire axis. Surrender is not a option.

 

[mangekyo]

Iran had several opportunities in the last 10-15 years to acquire JF-17 or J-10 or even the Russian Sukhois. But it decided to forgo advanced fighter jet acquisition in favour of missile programme, and left the Iranian Air Force to make do with reverse engineered F-5s. Missiles can attack the enemy but cannot defend the home country like the fighters jets do. An up to date air force would have been able to impede the Israeli air strikes. Its a shame considering that the Iranian Air Force used to be the best equipped air force in the Middle East once and even out performed the Iraqis during Iran-Iraq war. Their reward was to become obsolete to the point of non-existence.

Not true. China refused to sell to us, Putin agreed but we still haven’t received a single jet. As he said himself, Israel is almost a Russian speaking country

 

[Cicero]

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[Cash gk]

Iran’s biggest weapon, even more brutal than its nuclear program. Iran needs nuclear weapon to rule the world if they get nuclear weapon than they are superpower.

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