Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds
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Can Iran, Israel and the U.S. Now All Claim to Have Won?
Iran’s response to the attacks on its nuclear facilities killed no Americans, and analysts see a chance for a cease-fire, with each nation having a victory narrative.
Celebrating the attack on a U.S. base in Qatar, in Tehran on Monday. No Americans were killed in the attack, but it was trumpeted by Iranian media. Credit...Arash Khamooshi for The New York Times
By Farnaz Fassihi
Published June 23, 2025Updated June 24, 2025, 1:34 a.m. ET
Even before it fired any missiles, Iran was looking for a way out.
On Monday morning, Iran’s Supreme National Security Council held an emergency meeting to discuss striking back against the United States. The Americans had bombed three of Iran’s main nuclear facilities over the weekend, yet another serious blow after a week of attacks by Israel that had inflicted severe damage to Iran’s military leadership and infrastructure.
Iran needed to save face. From inside a bunker, Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, sent an order to strike back, according to four Iranian officials familiar with the war planning.
But the ayatollah also sent instructions that the strikes be contained — to avoid an all-out war with the United States, according to the officials, who were not authorized to speak publicly about the country’s war plans.
Iran wanted to hit an American target in the region, they said, but it was also keen to prevent more attacks from the United States.
So, Iran’s Revolutionary Guards Corps chose the Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar for two reasons, according to two members of the Guards: Since it is the largest American military base in the region, they believed that the base had been involved in coordinating the American B-2 strikes on Iran’s nuclear facilities over the weekend.
But because it is in Qatar, a close ally of Iran, Iranian officials also believed that the damage could be kept fairly minimal.
Several hours before striking, Iran started sending advance notice that a strike was imminent, passing the message through intermediaries. Qatar closed its airspace, and the Americans were warned.
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To the public, Iran trumpeted its strike on the Americans as the cost of attacking Iran. In a televised speech, a spokesman for Iran’s Armed Forces said the attacks on the American base in Qatar had been carried out by the Revolutionary Guards Corps.
“We warn our enemies that the era of hit and run is over,” said the spokesman.
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A burned vehicle after Israeli attacks in Tehran on Monday.Credit...Arash Khamooshi for The New York Times
Iranian state television played patriotic songs against the footage of ballistic missiles lighting up Qatar’s skies. The anchors theatrically spoke of Iran’s glory and victory in a war with imperial powers.
But behind the scenes, the four Iranian officials said, Iran’s leaders were hoping their limited attack and advance warning would convince President Trump to stand down, allowing Iran to do the same.
They also hoped Washington would pressure Israel to end its withering airstrikes on Iran, which began well before the American attack on Iran’s nuclear sites and were continuing as of Monday night, according to residents of Tehran, the Iranian capital.
Before firing on American forces in Qatar, one of the Iranian officials said that the plan was for no Americans to be killed, given that any deaths might spur the United States to retaliate, potentially leading to a cycle of attacks.
The plan seemed to work. Afterward, Mr. Trump said that 13 of the 14 Iranian missiles fired at Al Udeid had been downed, that no Americans there had been killed or wounded, and that the damage had been minimal.
“They’ve gotten it all out of their ‘system,’ and there will, hopefully, be no further HATE,” he said.
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American troops at Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar during President Trump’s visit there in May.Credit...Doug Mills/The New York Times
Soon after, Mr. Trump announced that a cease-fire was imminent between Iran and Israel. A few hours later, Iran also said a cease-fire agreement had been reached. But Israel’s government had no immediate comment, though it said four people had been killed in Iranian missile strikes early Tuesday.
Ali Vaez, Iran director for the International Crisis Group, said that every side now had a narrative for victory, while avoiding the risk of stumbling into a larger conflict with severe consequences for the region and beyond.
“The United States can say it has set back Iran’s nuclear program,” he said. “Israel can say it has weakened Iran, a regional adversary, and Iran can say it has survived and pushed back against much stronger military powers.”
In a little more than a week, the war blew through many previous red lines in dizzying speed. But Iran’s appetite for a protracted war was waning.
Most Iranians had rallied behind the flag and denounced the war as an attack on their country, even as tens of thousands of people were displaced from their homes in Tehran and other cities. Shops, businesses and government offices were shuttered or operating with minimal hours. The economic impact was starting to show, with taxi drivers, laborers, service workers and others saying they could not survive much longer.
“Our country doesn’t have the capacity to continue this war,” said Sadegh Norouzi, head of the National Development Party in Tehran, in a virtual town hall. “We have problems with the economy, we have problems sustaining public support and we don’t have the same militarily and technology capacity of Israel and America.”
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Israeli security forces at the site of an Iranian strike that hit a residential neighborhood in the Ramat Aviv area in Tel Aviv on Sunday.Credit...Daniel Berehulak/The New York Times
Some of the calls for an end to the war were even coming from affiliates of the Guards. Karim Jaffari, a political analyst affiliated with it, wrote on his social media page that Iran should focus on its war with Israel and not enter into one with the United States. “The only thing Iran does not want right now is a wider multi-front war without taking into consideration its consequences,” he wrote.
What Iran does next is still an open question. Though its limited attack on American forces in the region appeared calculated to avoid a deeper conflict, it does not necessarily mean hostilities are over.
Western officials concede that, despite the American strikes on Iran’s nuclear facilities, they are not certain what has happened to Iran’s stockpile of uranium. Does Iran have the capacity to enrich uranium further? Will it try more covert forms of aggression? Or will it now try to negotiate a lifting of the tough sanctions against it?
Iran’s foreign minister, Abbas Araghchi, has been on a diplomatic blitz, traveling to Turkey, Russia and Turkmenistan. After Iran’s strikes on American forces in Qatar, Mr. Araghchi said in an interview with Iranian state television reporters that the war against his country had failed to achieve its goals.
“I’m not saying they haven’t inflicted harm, yes, there was harm,” Mr. Araghchi said on Monday. “But they did not achieve their main goal to strip us completely of all our capabilities or any other goals they may have had.”
Farnaz Fassihi is the United Nations bureau chief for The Times, leading coverage of the organization. She also covers Iran and has written about conflict in the Middle East for 15 years.
Iran’s response to the attacks on its nuclear facilities killed no Americans, and analysts see a chance for a cease-fire, with each nation having a victory narrative.
Celebrating the attack on a U.S. base in Qatar, in Tehran on Monday. No Americans were killed in the attack, but it was trumpeted by Iranian media. Credit...Arash Khamooshi for The New York Times
By Farnaz Fassihi
Published June 23, 2025Updated June 24, 2025, 1:34 a.m. ET
Even before it fired any missiles, Iran was looking for a way out.
On Monday morning, Iran’s Supreme National Security Council held an emergency meeting to discuss striking back against the United States. The Americans had bombed three of Iran’s main nuclear facilities over the weekend, yet another serious blow after a week of attacks by Israel that had inflicted severe damage to Iran’s military leadership and infrastructure.
Iran needed to save face. From inside a bunker, Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, sent an order to strike back, according to four Iranian officials familiar with the war planning.
But the ayatollah also sent instructions that the strikes be contained — to avoid an all-out war with the United States, according to the officials, who were not authorized to speak publicly about the country’s war plans.
Iran wanted to hit an American target in the region, they said, but it was also keen to prevent more attacks from the United States.
So, Iran’s Revolutionary Guards Corps chose the Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar for two reasons, according to two members of the Guards: Since it is the largest American military base in the region, they believed that the base had been involved in coordinating the American B-2 strikes on Iran’s nuclear facilities over the weekend.
But because it is in Qatar, a close ally of Iran, Iranian officials also believed that the damage could be kept fairly minimal.
Several hours before striking, Iran started sending advance notice that a strike was imminent, passing the message through intermediaries. Qatar closed its airspace, and the Americans were warned.
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To the public, Iran trumpeted its strike on the Americans as the cost of attacking Iran. In a televised speech, a spokesman for Iran’s Armed Forces said the attacks on the American base in Qatar had been carried out by the Revolutionary Guards Corps.
“We warn our enemies that the era of hit and run is over,” said the spokesman.
Image
A burned vehicle after Israeli attacks in Tehran on Monday.Credit...Arash Khamooshi for The New York Times
Iranian state television played patriotic songs against the footage of ballistic missiles lighting up Qatar’s skies. The anchors theatrically spoke of Iran’s glory and victory in a war with imperial powers.
But behind the scenes, the four Iranian officials said, Iran’s leaders were hoping their limited attack and advance warning would convince President Trump to stand down, allowing Iran to do the same.
They also hoped Washington would pressure Israel to end its withering airstrikes on Iran, which began well before the American attack on Iran’s nuclear sites and were continuing as of Monday night, according to residents of Tehran, the Iranian capital.
Before firing on American forces in Qatar, one of the Iranian officials said that the plan was for no Americans to be killed, given that any deaths might spur the United States to retaliate, potentially leading to a cycle of attacks.
- Iran has previously given warnings before attacking U.S. bases, limiting damage and repercussions.
- Trump’s cease-fire announcement caught his own top officials by surprise.
- Qatar intervened and persuaded Iran to accept a cease-fire deal, diplomats say.
The plan seemed to work. Afterward, Mr. Trump said that 13 of the 14 Iranian missiles fired at Al Udeid had been downed, that no Americans there had been killed or wounded, and that the damage had been minimal.
In a remarkable statement, Mr. Trump even thanked Iran “for giving us early notice, which made it possible for no lives to be lost, and nobody to be injured.”“They’ve gotten it all out of their ‘system,’ and there will, hopefully, be no further HATE,” he said.
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American troops at Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar during President Trump’s visit there in May.Credit...Doug Mills/The New York Times
Soon after, Mr. Trump announced that a cease-fire was imminent between Iran and Israel. A few hours later, Iran also said a cease-fire agreement had been reached. But Israel’s government had no immediate comment, though it said four people had been killed in Iranian missile strikes early Tuesday.
Ali Vaez, Iran director for the International Crisis Group, said that every side now had a narrative for victory, while avoiding the risk of stumbling into a larger conflict with severe consequences for the region and beyond.
“The United States can say it has set back Iran’s nuclear program,” he said. “Israel can say it has weakened Iran, a regional adversary, and Iran can say it has survived and pushed back against much stronger military powers.”
In a little more than a week, the war blew through many previous red lines in dizzying speed. But Iran’s appetite for a protracted war was waning.
Most Iranians had rallied behind the flag and denounced the war as an attack on their country, even as tens of thousands of people were displaced from their homes in Tehran and other cities. Shops, businesses and government offices were shuttered or operating with minimal hours. The economic impact was starting to show, with taxi drivers, laborers, service workers and others saying they could not survive much longer.
“Our country doesn’t have the capacity to continue this war,” said Sadegh Norouzi, head of the National Development Party in Tehran, in a virtual town hall. “We have problems with the economy, we have problems sustaining public support and we don’t have the same militarily and technology capacity of Israel and America.”
Image
Israeli security forces at the site of an Iranian strike that hit a residential neighborhood in the Ramat Aviv area in Tel Aviv on Sunday.Credit...Daniel Berehulak/The New York Times
Some of the calls for an end to the war were even coming from affiliates of the Guards. Karim Jaffari, a political analyst affiliated with it, wrote on his social media page that Iran should focus on its war with Israel and not enter into one with the United States. “The only thing Iran does not want right now is a wider multi-front war without taking into consideration its consequences,” he wrote.
What Iran does next is still an open question. Though its limited attack on American forces in the region appeared calculated to avoid a deeper conflict, it does not necessarily mean hostilities are over.
Western officials concede that, despite the American strikes on Iran’s nuclear facilities, they are not certain what has happened to Iran’s stockpile of uranium. Does Iran have the capacity to enrich uranium further? Will it try more covert forms of aggression? Or will it now try to negotiate a lifting of the tough sanctions against it?
Iran’s foreign minister, Abbas Araghchi, has been on a diplomatic blitz, traveling to Turkey, Russia and Turkmenistan. After Iran’s strikes on American forces in Qatar, Mr. Araghchi said in an interview with Iranian state television reporters that the war against his country had failed to achieve its goals.
“I’m not saying they haven’t inflicted harm, yes, there was harm,” Mr. Araghchi said on Monday. “But they did not achieve their main goal to strip us completely of all our capabilities or any other goals they may have had.”
Farnaz Fassihi is the United Nations bureau chief for The Times, leading coverage of the organization. She also covers Iran and has written about conflict in the Middle East for 15 years.
Psyko70
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Man go for JF-17 and J10 I know you are no iranian Govt but common Iranian but trust me it will be more viable and reliable for Iran.
yesboss
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Congratulations to Iran, they are victorious against the entity in a way.
Destroyed the myth of invincibility of israel, they were helplessly calling daddy USA to come help bail them out. If not helped by the west and specially uncle sam in an immense way, israel would fall in a couple of weeks. They are too small and fragile against the massive iranians. Iranians stood thier ground showed resolve and were fearless, they showed they were united as a nation, whilst those of promised land would have all ran away in a heartbeat if they could.
As for war against USA, no one is a match in the islamic world, I'm glad you got out of it with out much damage.
One thing that was surprising for me in this conflict, it was the iranian intelligence, had no idea it was so badly infiltrated by several enemies. It also means that between iranian and pakistani borders there must be a coordinated effort to eradicate the terrorist/spies network. The problem resides on both sides of the border, iran should not remain dismissive of it like before and specially not lob ballistic missiles onto us, that's not the solution to everything, regards.
Destroyed the myth of invincibility of israel, they were helplessly calling daddy USA to come help bail them out. If not helped by the west and specially uncle sam in an immense way, israel would fall in a couple of weeks. They are too small and fragile against the massive iranians. Iranians stood thier ground showed resolve and were fearless, they showed they were united as a nation, whilst those of promised land would have all ran away in a heartbeat if they could.
As for war against USA, no one is a match in the islamic world, I'm glad you got out of it with out much damage.
One thing that was surprising for me in this conflict, it was the iranian intelligence, had no idea it was so badly infiltrated by several enemies. It also means that between iranian and pakistani borders there must be a coordinated effort to eradicate the terrorist/spies network. The problem resides on both sides of the border, iran should not remain dismissive of it like before and specially not lob ballistic missiles onto us, that's not the solution to everything, regards.
ShapurII
Trusted Member
We need to identify these people.
The sad thing is many of these people frequently visit Iran.
We really need a thorough clean-up in these "opposition" groups, starting with Reza Pahlavi and Maryam Rajavi.
PakFactor
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I always wondered if there was anyone out there worse than the Indians, but then I got the answer.
These overseas Iranians have a mental issue they need to sort out in their community.
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S.Y.A
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same thing my guy. a lot of overlapping citizenships. a lot of funding flowing here and there.
Cash gk
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Single attack on Qatar showed Americans occupation in Arab world. People were unaware of American soldiers who are stationed in Arab world and the governments are all American planted governments. Irani did not allow regime change they fought like their ancestors and other side Pakistan generals surrendered and they did regime change. .
Master Chief
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Did anyone else spot the "phull sapport"?
Bengal71
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Not sure about that LOL. But these disgusting ones even eat pork to 'assimilate' with the white people. Many of the women even marry kafir males.
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mangekyo
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PakFactor
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That region has to become a focal point, and the next decade must orbit around that region. No love should be lost for the Russians or Europe, but this is also important for smaller players to realize they need to step aside and let bigger powers fight.
Bengal71
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The Chinese themselves are now imposing sanctions on the US and EU. Look up the rare earth bans.
Musings
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In Dheli the ceasefire will be spun into Modi was instrumental in the stopping of this war. He did it single handily and fixed it.
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