Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Khansaheeb]

Unless a Middle East friendly regime shows up in Israel, Israeli civilians won’t feel safe anymore.

It would be end of Israel if Turkey starts on Israel.

 

[Pakistanithinktank]

We should officially retire all F14s , Mig 21/23 , Mirage F1 , F5s , JF7s , Su22 and in the end F4s and Su-24s .... just having 100 JF17 block III is far better than all of these

In the modern war, Iran Airforce is a sitting duck. Too many different kind of aircrafts can be maintenance nightmare. Majority of aircrafts are 3rd generation and should immediately be decommissioned.

Iran needs a high-Low combination with AWACS and ground radar linked.

100 JF-17 block 3.5 and 60 4.5+ generation fighter.
10,000+ UAVs
Advance Air defence system S-500 and China option.

 

[Davey Crockett]

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[Khansaheeb]

The final target is indeed Khameni

He is just a mouth piece , nothing would change if or when he is martyred. Another Mullah will take his place. But Zions will make an attempt on his life and that of Generals, scientists, etc at an any opportune moment.

 

[SolarWarden]

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Cht again? They did this after the 03 Iraq war too.

 

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[Khansaheeb]

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They are Israelis in disguise and Iranian dissidents.

 

[j_hungary]

its just the US. without their backing, israel is toast.

Well, some people will tell you US is under the influence of Israel, so you be the judge.

 

[j_hungary]

Afghan war help (Give time) to build bomb.

Maybe, but I will say people weren't that reluctant for Pakistan to get the bomb, compare to how they felt about Iran getting one, so we shouldn't be comparing the two.

 

[Hayabusa]

Pakistan got nuke on a differnet timeline, you can't compare it with what Iran or anyone going thru today, and North Korea was a mistake by Clinton, which Trump himself said he is not going to repeat (IIRC he said it during the first term)

Why the US’s 1994 deal with North Korea failed – and what Trump can learn from it

Kim Jong-il and Bill Clinton looked to have done a deal to curb North Korea’s nuclear weapons programme for good. What went wrong?

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And you are banking on a promise on two things.

1.) Iran can just pick up and have another go again
2.) Israel will let Iran do just that.

Well, if this is the case, then yes, I will say laying low and denied everything is the best option, but what if you were wrong?

You don't generally get better if someone breathing down your neck, in fact, in a predatorary country like Israel and the US, if you do just that, Israel and US is just going to pound on you like there were no tomorrow. So, again, whatever Iranian want to do with their country is their business, I am just saying if that was me, I would go all out now, talking seems useless and it's going to be a long while (Trump just got in with his 2nd term) to play possum, you may think differently.

Yes, there are differences in how Pakistan and North Korea achieved nuclear capability, different contexts and different strategies. But the end result remains the same: they got there. Through sheer will, ruthlessness, deception, and defiance. Whether the world liked it or not, they crossed the finish line. Iran needs to chart its own path whatever that looks like but the lesson is clear: it can be done.

To me, it won’t matter if it’s Trump in office until 2029, or some other hardliner after that. The political climate is unlikely to become more forgiving. Meanwhile, Israel will never give Iran breathing space. That’s why I’ve said before building nukes must be done concurrently with other strategies. Iran needs to build a system of regional alliances, particularly with powers like China; advanced air defense systems; and a smarter, sharper intelligence network capable of preempting and neutralizing threats within.

All of these efforts have to work in synergy. It’s not just about desperation it’s about strategy. After this recent escalation, Iran has every reason to avoid being caught off guard again.

That’s also why I don’t support the idea of Iran rushing headfirst into nuclear development while bragging about it to the world. They’ve already been exposed. The smartest move now? Lick your wounds. Fortify your defenses. Rebuild quietly. And then move forward decisively and in unison. Survival isn't about noise and chest thumping. It's about preparation and doing the right thing at the right place, and at the right time.

 

[Khansaheeb]

Dude, you get nuke in 1990s, internet was not a thing and you think the world is that advance and can detect radiation from atmosphere from the satellite??

Also, US and China both help Pakistan get its bomb....

U.S. And China Helped Pakistan Build Its Bomb

You sound like a Jew, full of excuses. Evolution occurs at both ends, you think it is exclusive to your Zionist masters.

 

[Fatman17]

I can’t digest this “Abandon ship — We’re going back home”. Their main goal was regime change.

If they indeed failed, then they were probably counting on the Irani public to come out and topple gov under the pressure of Israeli attacks. If that’s the case, then they seriously miscalculated and this leaves Reza Pehlavi back in his cuck chair, looking at the French p*rnstar toppling his wife instead of the Iranian Gov.

I think lran needs free and fair elections and let the people decide what type of government they want.
All the Iranians living abroad in luxury should be allowed to return and stand in the elections. Nobody will vote for them and the "crown prince " should drop the notion that the Phelvi dynasty will be restored to its former glory (sic)

 

[ResurgentIran2]

Results of the Eleven Day War:

13-14 June

Israel killed 14 nuclear scientists in Tehran - Iran in response launched ballistic missile strikes at Tel Aviv, Haifa and Ramat Gan including attacks on Defense Ministry Complex in Tel Aviv and other military infrastructure and did unprecedented damage (Avenged).

Israel bombed entrances of Kermanshah missile base, Tabriz missile base, Khoramabad missile base and attacked Tabriz airport and Mehrabad airport and destroyed several air defense systems and several decoy TELs- Iran in response attacked Tel Nof air base, Nevatim air base and Ovda air base with massive missile barrage (Avenged).

Israel damaged Isfahan nuclear site - Iran in response attacked nuclear sites in Israel (Avenged).

Israel attacked South Pars gas platform and some oil depots. - Iran in response scored missile impacts at Bazan Group petrochemical complex in Haifa which is the largest petrochemical complex in Israel (Avenged).

Israel damaged Natanz enrichment facility (Not Avenged)

Israel killed key generals: Bagheri, Salami, Hajizadeh, Ali-Rashid, Taherpour (Not Avenged).


15-16 June

Israel bombed Malik Ashtar University of Technology- Iranian missile impacts at Weizmann Institute of Science with 500mln$ damage (Avenged).

Israel hit electronic and radar plant in Shiraz - Iranian missile hit Rafael factory in Haifa (Avenged).

Israel hit small drone factory in Isfahan - Iranian missiles impacts at airbase in Negev (Avenged).

Israel attacked seven areas in Tehran including command headquarters of the Defense Ministry, Ministry of Intelligence building, Ministry of Justice building, Foreign Ministry building and police headquarters and a fuel depot - Multiple Iranian missile impacts at residences of Israeli leaders, Knesset members, IDF generals and scientists in Tel-Aviv, Haifa, Ashkelon, Rehovot, Ashdod, Eilat, Bnei Brak, Petah Tikva, Pardes Katz, Nayot, Ayalon plus Israeli intelligence center (Avenged).

Israel attacked something in Kermanshah - Iranian missile impacts in Kiryat Gat (Avenged).

Israel attacked refueling aircraft in Mashhad - Iranian missiles impact at an unknown airport and two impacts at Haifa powerplant (Avenged).

Israel killed IRGC Intelligence Chief and his deputy (Not Avenged).


16-21 June

Israel bombed empty surface mountains near Tehran and hit Iranian state TV building with some damage - Iran launched several cruise and ballistic missiles and drones with impacts at Nevatim airbase, Safed and Beersheba (Avenged).

Israel bombs apartment buildings in Tehran, National Radio Center in Iran, police station in Kashan, a warehouse in Isfahan and Tehran oil depots - In response 28 Iranian missiles impacts at Ashdod, Sharon, Shomron and Jerusalem (Avenged).

Israel strikes Iran's Khojir missile complex - Iran targets Meron air base and strikes refinery in Haifa (Avenged).

Israel bombs Karaj and Police Command of the Islamic Republic of Iran building in Tehran - Iran strikes Leviathan and Karish gas fields (Avenged).

Israel strikes Fardis, Karaj, Tehran - multiple Iranian missiles impacts in Ramat Gan, Holon and Tel-Aviv (Avenged).

Israel hits a warehouse in Shahin Shah - In response Iranian missiles hit Haifa, Iranian drone hits the house of Israeli Minister Danny Naveh (Avenged).

Israel bombs Sefidroot industrial area in Iran - Iran targets a key IDF Command, Control, Communications and Intelligence (C4I) center, along with an information hub in the Gav Yam Technology Park near the Soroka Hospital in Beersheba (Avenged).

Israel hits IRGC unit in Eastern Azerbaijan and hospital in Tehran - Iran strikes Israel with 8 missiles (Avenged).

Israel strikes Shiraz - Iranian missile impact at Beersheba in Israel (Avenged).

Israel makes 4 big strikes in Ahvaz and strikes oil depot in Mashhad - Iran's missiles impacts in Beersheba, Ashkelon, Gush Dan, Jerusalem and Tel-Aviv (Avenged).

Israel strikes Isfahan nuclear site - Iran hits Israel's scyscrapper - Stock market building in Tel-Aviv Business Center and damages a shared building of the Knesset office in Haifa and the Israeli Ministry of Interior (Avenged).

Israel strikes a building in Qom, Isfahan and Tehran - Multiple Iranian missiles impacts in Tel-Aviv, Haifa and Beit Shean (Avenged).

Israel kills senior Qud Force official who was in charge of supplying weapons to Hezbollah and new head of IRGC air force drone unit and IRGC official who was in charge of supporting Hamas - Iranian missiles impacts in Israel including impacts in Tel Aviv and several at Ramat Gan and AMAN Intelligence Bureau Logistics Center in Sharon and Israel's Mossad/8200 intelligence unit building in Herzliya and an impact in Negev (Avenged).

Israel damaged dysfunctional Arak nuclear reactor (Not Avenged).


22-24 June

Israel strikes Tabriz, Yazd and Bushehr airport- Iranian missiles impacts in Tel-Aviv, Haifa and bioweapons center in Ness Ziona (Avenged).

Israel strikes Parchin and 5 impacts in Tehran - Multiple Iranian missiles impacts in Tel-Aviv, Bisan, Sadiq, Ashdod power station, Ashkelon, Safed and homes of two Israeli prosecutors (Avenged).

US bombs EMPTY Fordow, Natanz, Isfahan nuclear sites - Iran attacks EMPTY Al Udeid airbase in Qatar and multiple US bases in Iraq.

Israel strikes Tehran with 3 impacts - Iranian missile impacts in Beersheba, Haifa, Tel-Aviv and Jerusalem (Avenged).


What was not avenged by Iran:

Israel damaged Natanz enrichment facility (Not Avenged).

Israel damaged dysfunctional Arak nuclear reactor (Not Avenged).

Israel killed key generals: Bagheri, Salami, Hajizadeh, Ali-Rashid, Taherpour (Not Avenged).

Israel killed IRGC Intelligence Chief and his deputy
(Not Avenged).

Israel's goals of this war:

1) Degrade, Destroy, and Remove the threat of Iranian nuclear program - PARTIALLY DONE

^^ They did not destroy and remove, but partially degraded Iranian nuclear program. Iran evacuated 408kg of 60% HEU and IR-6 centrifuges from Fordow and other nuclear facilities prior to cosmetic airstrike by US.

2) Render Iran's missile program less capable of retaliation - NOT DONE

^^ hundreds of Iranian missiles landed in Israel humiliating Arrow-3, David's Sling and SM-3 and the final strike of the war was by Iranian missiles.

3) Weaken Iran’s military leadership - NOT DONE

^^ Iranian military leaders were quickly replaced and retaliation against Israel started.

4) Create internal disarray and destabilize the regime - NOT DONE

^^ Iranian people rallied around their government and all opposition and liberals are now discredited as collaborators of Israel and USA.

Since goals of the war are not achieved, we can say that Israel lost this war.

And now they hope for negotiations...

This is a good summary and analysis.
But dont forget about unintended consequences. This war saw Israeli society and social fabric fracturing. Not only did Israeli Jews deny shelter to Israeli arabs, but also denied their fellow jews (if they were from different neighborhood). Israel is a society put toghether with scotch tape, and last few years it has been unravelling. Obtober 7th and now the Iran will speed that development dramatically.
It also shattered the myth of Israeli invincibility. This could cass a mass migration (reverse Aliyah) of isrselis with dual citizenship. Especially considering the economic damages, but above all the shattered myth of security.

 

[Cash gk]

Difference between Pakistani regime change and Iranian regime change.

 

[OldTwilight]

Iran needs a high-Low combination with AWACS and ground radar linked.

JF-17 and 4.5+ generation fighter.

Su-35 will do high end for now, although their PESA radar would be useless against stealth fighter jets ... maybe we should ask for new AESA radar from Russia

anyway, this is the end of IRIAF shah era equipments ...

the funny part was that IRIAF prioritize its pilots and personnels safety over anything and didn't conduct any suicide missions against Israelis F35s, despite all their bravado talks, they were rational enough to know that 3rd and 4th gen fighters have no chance against 5th gen fighters ...

Soon, I.R will do everything to not lose sky again ... our shortcoming in military tactics and strategies exposes ...