Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[mulj]

Who says there isn't? Bit of a negative view. Europe still has a large industrial base.

I know but they are already in desperate shortage of welders, electricians, locksmiths and similar craftsman occupations which are essential for any industrial production, their youth do not want to work those jobs. So if they want to utilize that money fast and efficiently they need huge influx of skilled labor which i do not see as realistic possibility.

 

[Watandar]

Okay, but Sadam Hussein proved that secularism also has conditions for anti-Iranian ideology... with a little bit intervention in the narrative, instead of Sunnis vs Shias, you just use Arabs vs Iranians(Persians), you will achieve same hate level, attractiveness among some structures, followers, sponsors...

Anf Iran wouldn't know what hit them...

Before the rise of political Islam in 1970s, ethnicity and nationality were used to divide and weaken people. Those tactics are still around and in addition to them , Shia-Sunni schism is also stoked. My family members tell me before the 1970's, nobody was bothered by what sect you were.

Identity is complex and malleable. Your gender, history, ethnicity, nationality, class, religion, tribe, family all form part of it.

Saddam Hussein had thought that his invasion of Iranian provinces where mostly Arabs lived who lead to a natural revolt, he was proven wrong as Iranian Arabs rejected his attack. When Iran then attacked Iraq, Saddam convinced his countrymen, including the Iraqi Shia to fight Iran to avoid Iraq turning into a "Persian colony".

 

[vmro]

Who says there isn't? Bit of a negative view. Europe still has a large industrial base.

But no kids, even less and less marriages, at least "normal" marriages, 2 boyfriends as spouses is still too much for me, and I will be punished if I say this public...but at least Europe will go to own end with euthanasia, less and less kids till disappearance... not bad finish, painless...

 

[brazensword]

Well don't go anywhere near Africa if don't have a habit of apologising.

Bahahaha. @BonPlan got played by the great El Sidd

 

[Agnostic Muslim]

Once a nation’s resolve is broken, it loses the will to fight again.

1971 would suggest that even a major loss won’t necessarily stop a country from pursuing national interests.

 

[j_hungary]

Netanyahu has failed on his gamble. If he could prevail over Iran during this conflict, he would not agree to a ceasefire. It is not in the nature of Netanyahu to be merciful and accommodating. His entire gamble rested on the Americans fully joining in but never happened and neither did the Iranians allow the Americans to fall into Netanyahu's trap by directly attacking America. You see: Even America has limits. You are a military guy and should know that a 3-front war for even America is too much. Iran has just demonstrated that its hypersonic missiles, even if only 5% make the impact, are extremely effective in countering the tiny, cowardly, pampered nation of Israel.
Once you truly understand what I just said above then you'd understand not only the recent conflict but what the future holds.

Well, he does agree to a ceasefire on Gaza twice and how did that one goes?

He is going to use Iran as a punching bag and now with Trump onboard, I mean do you still think Trump would just say no to Nathanyahu? Trump had been warned by his own base and he is doing this anyway, that's a political suicide because he bound to isolate a lot of his base just to attack Iran.

And to be honest with you, I don't know what the current administration thinks anymore,. no one in the right mind will go raise a trade war with LITERALLY EVERYBODY out of nothing, and yet here we are, we are doing it (I mean like what? 80 days over the "deal deadline" and how many deal do we have?) Can US handle a 3 front war? No, but does that mean Trump is not going to try? I don't know, I just don't know.

On the other hand, Israel don't need to win the war,what BiBi is doing is he is playing into multiple threats against Israel, and everyone is against them, so you need him to stay in power, that's why he is pissing off everyone he can piss off in that list. Sure, let's say this ceasefire hold, then what? Next time when there is a mass protest against him, he is going to fire a couple of missile in Lebannon or Iran and said they are close to whatever they are closed to, and judging from what Trump did this time, he is not going to say no.

 

[Aziqbal]

if Iran fell then Pakistan was next

luckily for Pakistan the Iranian fought back hard and won the war

Pakistan should thank Iran for being its Vanguard

 

[Meengla]

Israel appears to the world and to the Israelis themselves like a wet, little puppy that it actually is! So much so for the 'best military in the Middle East'.
Pics say a thousand words.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

I am quite sad, turned out, both the entity and IR, were in fact playing for the USA!

Iran: coldly submitted to ceasefire

Entity: Never wanted a ceasefire (see the contrast!)

 

[Watandar]

I am quite sad, turned out, both the entity and IR, were in fact playing for the USA!

Iran: coldly submitted to ceasefire

Entity: Never wanted a ceasefire (see the contrast!)

Israel absolutely wanted a ceasefire. Netanyahu was talking about it for days before. They had planned for a maximum two week war.

 

[Be dazzled]

Gotta agree.

 

[German Angst]

if Iran fell then Pakistan was next

luckily for Pakistan the Iranian fought back hard and won the war

Pakistan should thank Iran for being its Vanguard

You are spreading so much rubbish in this thread about Pakistan being next. Stop posting that Bullshit everytime.

There are so many differences between Pakistan and Iran.

- Pakistan already got nukes
- Pakistan has a reliable lifeline in China
- Pakistan is not threatening to nuke Israel
- Pakistan isn‘t isolated internationally, on the contrary got good relations to many countries in the world.
- Pakistan is totally different gravy military-wise
- Pakistan only gets dangerous if it becomes unstable aka the military is weakened.
- Pakistan got a lifeline in China (again because that solely makes everything you say fantasy)

Stop that nonsense please

 

[mulj]

Well, he does agree to a ceasefire on Gaza twice and how did that one goes?

He is going to use Iran as a punching bag and now with Trump onboard, I mean do you still think Trump would just say no to Nathanyahu? Trump had been warned by his own base and he is doing this anyway, that's a political suicide because he bound to isolate a lot of his base just to attack Iran.

And to be honest with you, I don't know what the current administration thinks anymore,. no one in the right mind will go raise a trade war with LITERALLY EVERYBODY out of nothing, and yet here we are, we are doing it (I mean like what? 80 days over the "deal deadline" and how many deal do we have?) Can US handle a 3 front war? No, but does that mean Trump is not going to try? I don't know, I just don't know.

On the other hand, Israel don't need to win the war,what BiBi is doing is he is playing into multiple threats against Israel, and everyone is against them, so you need him to stay in power, that's why he is pissing off everyone he can piss off in that list. Sure, let's say this ceasefire hold, then what? Next time when there is a mass protest against him, he is going to fire a couple of missile in Lebannon or Iran and said they are close to whatever they are closed to, and judging from what Trump did this time, he is not going to say no.

He can not use Iran as punching bag, Lebanon and Gaza can not return fire while Iran is perfectly capable to launch missiles and disrupt their lives and inflict damage and losses.
No more arrows for protection means that they will suffer to, out of the necessity they will "obey" ceasefire for couple of months at least, who will use better this time will have better chances in next round.

 

[El Sidd]

Bahahaha. @BonPlan got played by the great El Sidd

I didn't do anything. He walked straight into it and never call me great again.
Thanks

 

[Musings]

And if it is proved that I'm french, you will apologize ?

I hope so, if not it's far too easy, nearly an insult....

I frankly dont care. You have indian heritage. You either 2nd generation and are ashamed to show your origin flag or managed to get residency.
Either way i couldnt care less. Just occasionally try to view the world objectively and take your TVA glsses off