Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Vapnope]

There is no global south, we fought alone and there was no help to begin with ...
Even now, it seems we are our own, we must rebuild our strength by ourselves ...

Nobody can survive alone, not even US. This is something that Europeans realized while east remained isolated. We can see how it is going for each one of us.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

People admire bravery, not surrender. Even if you lose, lose with courage and honour. This is what Iran did they fought they fought bravely they showed courage.. world admire them

Again, you speak as if the leaders are representative. For you, yes... not for those who play them as pieces on the board. They must play their role.
At the end Pakistan plays a tightrope in a whirlwind. I do not agree with much they do and would be their last spokesperson. But I cannot evade or dodge reality.
The alternative is worse, especially now...
When the time is ripe... People will root for their own and not pretenders on the pedestal.

 

[mangekyo]

Wait what?? Is this true?

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Which sanctions? All of them?

 

[Cash gk]

I agree that the reaction didn‘t match the waffling of the Iranis.

BUT:

It is extremely valuable to see the hype of the impenetrable air defence of Israel being shattered. Israel has lost a big chunk of its deterrance. They would never survive without the US.

Israel has now exposed its vulnerability to the world. Its air defense system has proven to be breachable. This reality has given hope and confidence to many countries in the region—that if Iran, despite facing heavy sanctions and intense pressure, could inflict such damage on Israel in just eleven or twelve days of war, then others can too.

Israel lacks strategic depth. That’s why it had to move its fighter jets to Cyprus under British protection and launch attacks from there. For those operations, the U.S., U.K., and the West provided continuous air refueling, spare parts, and advanced weapons. The truth is: without their support, Israel is nothing.

This was not just a defeat for Israel, but also a major blow to its backers. This war has exposed their vulnerabilities as well. The entire balance of power in the region has now shifted.

 

[mulj]

Thats Stalin kind of paranoia.

If ukrainians do in moscow what jews did in tehran, you would dig out stalin from the grave to put things in order.

 

[Cash gk]

Again, you speak as if the leaders are representative. For you, yes... not for those who play them as pieces on the board. They must play their role.
At the end Pakistan plays a tightrope in a whirlwind. I do not agree with much they do and would be their last spokesperson. But I cannot evade or dodge reality.
The alternative is worse, especially now...
When the time is ripe... People will root for their own and not pretenders on the pedestal.

Brother, I think you don’t have anything to say forget it

 

[mangekyo]

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He was the last American president.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Brother, I think you don’t have anything to say forget it

Some other day.

 

[Mr Iran Eye]

Iran fired 500+ missiles at Israel and only achieved c. 30-50 good impacts

I would say their air defence performed very well. how would Iranian air defence fare against 500 ballistic missiles?

if we continued firing 100+ missiles at Israel per day from this point onwards, we could expose their air defence limitations, but we were not able to do that.

Fake News

There's much more impact than you say, and a German journalist today admitted that Israel censors many of Iran's losses and targets.

Iran gains a lot of war experience.

Iran wins through numerous arrests of traitors in the country.

Iran gains a lot of useful data for its future combat defense through military science.

Iran has weakened Israel and forced thousands of people to flee the Zionist country.

Iran has the sympathy of the whole world.

Iranian unity and its population are even stronger.

 

[Sipahsalar]

With the war practically (and cautiously) over:

Tactical Israeli victory, as they managed to do some damage to Iran's over land nuclear facilities, and kill some key figures.

Strategic Iranian victory, as they managed to not only survive an attempted regime change, but they managed to both hit Israel hard, and did not compromise on their nuclear ambitions.

No doubt, with the war now over, both sides will be assessing their weaknesses and start preparing for the next war.

A red line has been crossed, there will no longer be a one off "tit for tat", it will be war every time.

As for Reza Pahlavi, he's probably sitting on his cuck chair watching his wife with her boyfriend, while he cries.

The biggest winner though, it seems is Trump. He managed to avoid a ground war, and ended the war between Israel and Iran.

Did we watch the same war?

 

[Master Chief]

Again, how is Trump saying NO when he sent 3 B-2 bombers a few days after he was asked to do it?

I don't know what you meant by "getting involved." I will say bombing a country that had not done anything to you is seriously "getting involved", but then you read your own label.

And again, you are NOT compelled to reply to my post if you disagree on what I said, I certainly won't

Never in my life have I seen Iran and Israel bracketed or hyphenated together for public chastisement by a serving US President.

Israel is, on paper, an indispensable ally to USA, and no US President would ever give them the direct public message that essentially "we bombed a mountain for you, now wind your neck in, and behave like we just told Iran to".

The member you are responding to has made the point that either Netanyahu or Israel as a whole, or both, have never been in this position in anyone's living memory.

I think the point is completely valid and warrants exploration. You are deflecting from that by confirming what is already well known - that Trump agreed to a bombing run on behalf of Tel Aviv.

Regarding the matter being discussed, I genuinely now feel that Trump feels a need to answer his core MAGA critics (Bannon etc) by holding back on any further blind support for Israel at this stage. I could be wrong, but that seems the direction of flow.

Iran should take full advantage of this chink in the armour of the USA-Israel alliance.

 

[ShapurII]

@Persian Gulf Khamenei has been quite silent and absent in the last 48 hours. Mehdi Fazaeli in the TV program "Khorramshahr" has said that we should pray that he would celebrate this "victory" with people, if God's willing.

What do you make of it?

 

[mangekyo]

I believe it is that simple, ok i know you are probably alluding on usa sanctions and China concerns about it but i firmly believe that boat has firmly sailed.
China also has strong economic interests in Iraq and selling weapons to Iran is one step closer to firmly protect their southern underbelly and divert american resources further from their shores. It is real politic, from that point i do not see reason of depriving you weapons unless there is something which we both can not know or just speculate.

Why would Iran chose a retarded nation like India over China unless there are some things complicating our relationship?

 

[Watandar]

The Pakistani Parliament passed a resolution to defend Saudi Arabia! The only country under Pakistan's nuclear umbrella!

In regards to what's there for us? Well, there are at least 2.7 million Pakistanis for a start.

Resolutions are not laws and not something for executive to automatically obey.

 

[KingQamaR]

I have been in Afghanistan few times, and yes, many are ready to do anything for 200$...that's wealthy sum for them...ircg employed a lot of them, I thing that only "real" proxy unit of IRGC is afagani-based...

Clear now how mossad so much penetrated IRGC and how proud Iranians are selling themselves for few hundreds % ...

It will not be easy cleaning-house process; but all traitors must be neutralized...

It’s the handlers and recruiters you urgently need to bust.

To break this Mossad infiltration.

Pakistan & Iran, Just stop making it so easy for Afghan migrants to enter and settle in our countries It's that easy!

Raw Indian assets are everywhere in Iran. Don’t get fixated just on Afghanis!!!

As your only threat in Iran!