Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[AZ_HighCountry]

better to just stfu with women to be fair and let them win even if your right let’s go back to the current Iranian Israeli conflict of today though some people don’t think we should inject a little humor to sometimes dreary situations

It hasn't stopped me.

If anything, sometimes a laugh is needed.

 

[Shags101]

Still, bias or not, @gambit was making fair points based on his experience from his military days.

Somewhere here I said I don't discount anyone's opinions or theories. We all have those. Some of us also come to the table with certain experiences that lend credibility to our opinions.

I didn’t actually say he was wrong on all points to be fair it’s some of his claims were over the board and like I said once you start saying Iraq was attempting to acquire nuclear weapons when after America went in went through everything in Iraq what did they find nothing we have to be honest yes Iran has the ability to acquire nuclear weapons but so do about a couple dozen other countries as well but last time everyone checked and agree on even pentagon 2003 was when they actually froze their atomic clock.

 

[dicknharry]

Perhaps start with what WSJ reported
Exclusive | Israel Is Running Low on Defensive Interceptors, Official Says - WSJ

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/israel-is-running-low-on-defensive-interceptors-official-says-fd64163d?

And this
By the numbers: US missile capacity depleting fast | Responsible Statecraft

By the numbers: US missile capacity depleting fast

Our industrial base isn't keeping up with the pace of weapons transfers to Ukraine and Israel

responsiblestatecraft.org

Or this

China’s rare earth squeeze puts defense giants in the crosshairs

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/06/10/chinas-rare-earth-squeeze-puts-defense-giants-in-the-crosshairs.html

Than draw your own conclusions

I agree with this and to be honest China was hoping to pull in the US into Iran for an epic proxy war to drain them so bad that it would have hoped to achieve what happened to the USSR in the Afghanistan. Of course, the implications for Iran would have been immense.

But we really need to now tank the US economy because that itself will cause the US to retract its military capabilities. You cant have an armed forces you cant afford. With that even Israel will be impacted and thus end its hegemonistic agenda in the middle east.

This pressure needs to be maintained.

 

[Shags101]

It hasn't stopped me.

If anything, sometimes a laugh is needed.

Me either to be honest……..it’s that Ohio boy in me

 

[Starlord]

You and I are actually in agreement to an extent, right?

If I want to see people getting shot, I don't have to go to Israel. There are plenty of choices here in the US.

OH!!! Before I forget, speaking of depravity....................did you happen to miss the ISIS video when they BBQ'd that Jordanian pilot? Go look for it, watch it, then get back to me. Tell me they were civilized.

Jordanian pilot that was burned alive by ISIS was a pilot, although burning him was not right but ISIS was not cheering for kids been burn alive, toddlers amputees, there are testimonies from Doctors without borders who witness kids young as 3 getting shot in head twice.
you can cite maybe few incidents of ISIS which was by far the brutal Terrorist organization, but Israeli's which include good ol Americans are doing similar things to Palestinians since 1948, so yeah there is not much difference in them both, only one side is playing the victim while doing so.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Me either to be honest……..it’s that Ohio boy in me

North or South? There seems to be a lot of in-breeding once you get below the line from CMH-DAY and the Kentucky state line.

 

[delta2]

I live in the West. I consider myself to be civilized. Educated too. However, I don't support genocide. I can become very uncivilized if you'd like me to be.

That's like saying not all Muslims are terrorists however, the 9/11 hijackers were? Muslim.

So let's not generalize, shall we?

The 9/11 attack was an inside job, planned, funded and carried out by the US intelligence agencies. No Muslims were ever involved because the US intelligence agencies do not hire Muslims for any decision making positions.

Reference the Project for New American Century document.

 

[That_Guy]

That NYT report is from five days back. Today, NYT say it's severely damaged not destroyed. You want Fordo to survive intact so desperately that you are clinging to any narrative you can find that aligns with your desires. The truth is no one except the Iranians know the true status of Fordo. However, Netanyahu said the Iranian program has been set back a decade. I suspect he would not have agreed to a ceasefire if Iran's program was set back by a mere 6 months.

First of all, no idea what you're problem is with me, and why you're constantly rude to every single one of my posts that you reply to.

Second, regardless of this, I've sufficiently proven the facility is in tact. The NYT post is citing various sources, they don't sat it themselves for any of the claims.

I'm not desperate for anything. If it's destroyed, it's destroyed, and there's nothing we can do about it, but I'm seeing so many people saying it's destroyed, while actual experts are saying it's likely not destroyed at all.

Even Israeli assessment has said it's likely not destroyed, but severely damaged.

Its not what I want, it's about the truth.

[Edit]: the institute for Science and international security is one of the institutions that came up with the assessment, and they've stood by their findings.

While the Defense Intelligence Agency, which is the Pentagon's intel agency was the one to come up with the initial assessment, and I'm just repeating what they said. By the way, I'm pretty sure this report by the DIA was just released recently, not 4 or 5 days ago.

This has nothing to do with the New York Post. It's what actually experts say.

The facilities remain intact.

Its not me who's desperate, it's everyone naively insisting that it's been destroyed that's desperate to try and prove physics wrong.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Jordanian pilot that was burned alive by ISIS was a pilot, although burning him was not right but ISIS was not cheering for kids been burn alive, toddlers amputees, there are testimonies from Doctors without borders who witness kids young as 3 getting shot in head twice.
you can cite maybe few incidents of ISIS which was by far the brutal Terrorist organization, but Israeli's which include good ol Americans are doing similar things to Palestinians since 1948, so yeah there is not much difference in them both, only one side is playing the victim while doing so.

You missed my point completely.

ISIS people were dancing and cheering while he was burning.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

The 9/11 attack was an inside job, planned, funded and carried out by the US intelligence agencies. No Muslims were ever involved because the US intelligence agencies do not hire Muslims for any decision making positions.

Reference the Project for New American Century document.

 

[dicknharry]

This. I think this ceasefire makes ZERO sense strategically. Iran was pounding the rabid dogs. But politically Iran was probably pressured by its so called allies to agree to this ceasfire and it wanted to be seen as responsible actor in the international stage.

But I believe Iran wants to continue the war. So they do this last ditch missile barrage with high casualties, which will be impossible for the rabid dog entity to let go.

Ergo, we will have a new round. Maybe in the fall. In the meantime, Iran should regroup, reorganize and do a serious cleanup at home of the Mossad sleeper cells. And start the enrichment program again.

Iran is in no position to continue this war. Lets take the win when you have it. Its a war of attrition and while Iran may have a lot of missiles it is going to struggle to launch them in the long run. Similarly, Israel would have had to accept the fact that the war has come home and is clearly visible but to sustaint it would have been difficult.

So, both were not keen to be in a position for such an outcome. Iran has lost strategically which is probably the far bigger concern because after this ceasefire will come the nuclear talks and supposed negotiations. Irans is now in a far weaker position should it still try to negotiate its right to use nuclear technology. However, Iran could come out and say that there is no need for anything because everything has been destroyed ...kind of create strategic ambiguity. Irans strategy of proxy war has been shown the door....so...it now needs to determine whether India was indeed the right partner or would it be beneficial to improve ties with Pakistan and China for its defence.

I can tell one thing is that with Beidu, HQ9, HQ19 and a range of other AD for IADs plu coupled with JF17s, J10s and J35s would make Iran a highly contested air space such that Israeil would need to accept some very high attrition if it were to even attempt air superiority over Iran.

 

[Starlord]

You missed my point completely.

ISIS people were dancing and cheering while he was burning.

Just like the people who were cheering to see the Gazan's burned and starved, only difference is one is a declared Terrorists Organization and other are supposed to be the Victims and "Civilized" people, and ISIS came on scene what ? 2014 ? like I said, Israeli's that include Western people doing similar things to Gazans and Palestinians since 1948.

 

[Tamerlane]

I live in the West. I consider myself to be civilized. Educated too. However, I don't support genocide. I can become very uncivilized if you'd like me to be.

That's like saying not all Muslims are terrorists however, the 9/11 hijackers were? Muslim.

So let's not generalize, shall we?

I’m sure that you’re a decent person and you don’t support genocide, but your country, led by people you elect, fully supports genocide. So, to equate official US and NATO policies to a CIA funded terrorist organization is not a good example of equivalency. I don't know of any governments in Muslim countries that support genocide of any people. Governments in the civilized West do.

You need to understand that the US-protected Israel is committing genocide, and the moral standing of your country is zero.

 

[delta2]

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Lol a jet exploded and turned into dust but one passport somehow survived the temperatures that melt steel and burn concrete!

Americans are really stupid to believe such Santa stories!!

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

I’m sure that you’re a decent person and you don’t support genocide, but your country, led by people you elect, fully supports genocide. So, to equate official US and NATO policies to a CIA funded terrorist organization is not a good example of equivalency. I don't know of any governments in Muslim countries that support genocide of any people. Governments in the civilized West do.

You need to understand that the US-protected Israel is committing genocide, and the moral standing of your country is zero.

Now we're starting to get somewhere.

And sadly, you're correct. The people who elect the people need to be making better choices.