Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Ali_Baba]

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Praying that there is a J-10CE+JF-17+KJ-500 full package

It will take months to agree a package and there is manufacturing time and training of people. So you are talking about an uplift in "military" capability 12months from contract delivery to get a platform operationalised to some level of capability ? The J10CE can be delivered quickly as proven by PAF where it was 9months(others can clarify) from signature on a contract to the first place landing.

 

[ShapurII]

It will take months to agree a package and there is manufacturing time and training of people. So you are talking about an uplift in "military" capability 12months from contract delivery to get a platform operationalised to some level of capability ? The J10CE can be delivered quickly as proven by PAF where it was 9months(others can clarify) from signature on a contract to the first place landing.

The biggest obstacle is pilot training in my opinion. It's going to take 2-3 years to train a pilot for real combat.

 

[Shags101]

Unlike Russia, China actually has the industrial capacity to deliver a large number of jet fighters in a short time. They produce over 700 J-20 jet fighters per year.

I think having the capability of producing several hundred fighter jets and actually producing 700 of these in a year is two different things things unless china can sell 200 hundred or more a year to countries around the world it would be nice if the Chinese step up to counter Israeli and American threats but any high value product china sends I’m assuming they will be there watch it doesn’t get into Israeli hands

 

[tsunset]

Iran should not say no to HQ-9/19/22 and S-350/400/500 or TorM2 and Pantsir

We should do like China, shuffle the AD systems with Iranian ones, Russian and Chinese ones and make them work together in the IADS

Pakistan has shot down 4th gen fighters with HQ-9

Hoping they learn from the mistakes

 

[ShapurII]

I think having the capability of producing several hundred fighter jets and actually producing 700 of these in a year is two different things things unless china can sell 200 hundred or more a year to countries around the world it would be nice if the Chinese step up to counter Israeli and American threats but any high value product china sends I’m assuming they will be there watch it doesn’t get into Israeli hands

Sorry, I corrected it immediately after writing that. You're too fast lol It's 120 J-20 units per year.

 

[Homajon]

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[ShapurII]

Iran should not say no to HQ-9/19/22 and S-350/400/500 or TorM2 and Pantsir

We should do like China, shuffle the AD systems with Iranian ones, Russian and Chinese ones and make them work together in the IADS

Pakistan has shot down 4th gen fighters with HQ-9

Hoping they learn from the mistakes

Have we deployed even a single unit of Bavar-373?
@Persian Gulf @Immortals

 

[SABRE]

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Praying that there is a J-10CE+JF-17+KJ-500 full package

Pray for HQ-9 as well.

 

[tsunset]

Have we deployed even a single unit of Bavar-373?
@Persian Gulf @Immortals

I think one was seen on satellite imagery

But likely destroyed with S-300, otherwise we would have seen at least 1 or 2 jets downed

Iran should never give up its domestic SAMs, Iran took 20 years of R&D to have B-373, it works better than S-300, the only issue is the production rate

Iran should search for a way to protect the SAMs from drone and ATGM attacks from the inside

 

[Shags101]

Pray for HQ-9 as well.

Is it me or do they also need to revamp their entire border surveillance reason why Israel was able to get in people weapons and everything in between was because of their borders

 

[Shags101]

I think one was seen on satellite imagery

But likely destroyed with S-300, otherwise we would have seen at least 1 or 2 jets downed

Iran should never give up its domestic SAMs, Iran took 20 years of R&D to have B-373, it works better than S-300, the only issue is the production rate

Iran should search for a way to protect the SAMs from drone attacks from the inside

Or just have china come in and revamp their production capabilities look at Pakistan

 

[SolarWarden]

Haaretz
3 hours ago

Report: Outcome of U.S. strike on Fordow 'really not good' Israeli source says​

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Satellite picture taken on June 22, 2025 shows an overview of Iran's Fordow Fuel Enrichment Plant (FFEP) after U.S. air strikes were conducted on the facility, northeast of the city of Qom.Credit: AFP/-
Two Israeli sources told U.S.-based ABC News that calling the operation a success would be premature at this stage, while one source downplayed the damage.


According to the report, the source who downplayed the strike's damage said that the outcome is "really not good."


ABC reported that the sources don't know how much enriched uranium might have been transferred from the site before the strikes or how many centrifuges remain operational.


Verifying the strike's outcome could take months, one source told ABC.

"Sources" Riiiight.
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[vmro]

To understand how 6.2 million Jews in the US control the country would require a whole book. Simply put, a small number of very rich Jews control politicians of both parties by making donations. They use a small carrot and big stick approach. They contribute a small amount to all politicians. If they vote against Israel then they contribute a large amount to their opponent. Each US politician answers to a Jew appointed to monitor them. Plus, Jews also own the media which is critical to win elections.

Different groups are given different things to support Israel. Evangelical preachers are in their pockets and use biblical narrative to support Israel. The defense industry gets funding to make wars, academics get funding for research, the oil industry gets high oil prices. And so on.

In short, everyone gets some benefit from supporting Israel.

Their first major blow is msm oblivion and inability to control information processing and interpretation...new technology made laughingstock from entire media landscape...and its obviously something is changing there...

They have money, but they are not the only ones that have money...who controls the information controls the politics and public discourse...

They were caught off guard, and they will lose that war, anyway, Iran will have to finish wisely and prepared this last demonstration of power by doomed rivals...they are STILL dangerous. ..

 

[Ali_Baba]

The biggest obstacle is pilot training in my opinion. It's going to take 2-3 years to train a pilot for real combat.

It is a good thing that the Iranian air force did not sacrifice good experienced pilots in F4s to go up against F-15/16/35's. I suspect it will take less time for an experienced pilot to transition over. PAF pilots underwent this transition so they are aware of the overall training programme. Fighter tactics and war doctrine to use these new platforms overall may take longer than training pilots to operate the platform.

 

[hasn2009]