Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[the saint]

 

[ShapurII]

This is what reuters says: "While the agreement does not include a mutual defence clause, it says both countries will work together against common military threats, develop their military-technical cooperation, and take part in joint exercises."

Carnegie endowment also says this clearly: https://carnegieendowment.org/russi...25/01/russia-iran-strategic-agreement?lang=en

No mutual defence pact but just exercises and vague friendship.

I don't care what some source thinks is the case. Sergey Lavrov has clearly said it includes defense and security cooperation and I proved it to you by providing an article from Reuters. So, the discussion over this part is finished. We can't continue talking about the same thing forever.

Iran supplied cutting edge gas turbines? I hope this is a joke. Why Iran is not making its own planes with gas turbines? India, in fact, provides engine spare parts to Russia while Iran sells low tech drones for precious gold.

It has already happened.

Amid sanctions turmoil, Iran says will provide Russia with 40 gas turbines

Tehran steps in to boost Russian industry, as both countries grapple with Western embargoes and grow increasingly close

www.timesofisrael.com

Two gas-turbines have already been exported, confirmed by Russian newspapers. You can ask Russian members on here if you wish. This discussion is also over.

Pakistan humiliated India? I guess you live in your delusions. Indian air defence showed its true metal that day. India did lose some Rafales but they were French jets. Indian defence industry makes top notch equipments. Calling Indians small & weak is absurd. Japanese were much smaller than Indians but they conquered entire South east Asia and were fighting 2 front against China & USA. Indians, unlike northern races, can live in all types of climates and can adapt anywhere due to unique racial features & evolution to suit varied climatic conditions in India.

Why did you purchase French Rafales when you could invest in Tejas instead? Why isn't the backbone of your air force Indian? Why didn't you use Tejas in Operation Sindoor?
I mean no offense to India, but India doesn't really have a golden history of winning wars. And your Operation Sindoor was a defeat for you.

Secondary sanctions are not relevant & major economies like China & India ignore it. It is only when Arabs request to not deal with Iran, India & China listen. USA secondary sanctions are most likely indirect Arab petrodollar sanctions, not just USA's whims.

As for USA controlling Arabs, that time is over with USA energy independence and shale oil boom. Now, the petrodollar is used by Arabs as a tool via USA. The relations are more even & mutually beneficial, not controlled by USA. This is why there was no secondary sanctions on Russia - Arabs refused it.

So, you think Arabs control the Chinese economy more than the US? China's export to Saudi Arabia is about $50 billion dollars. One-tenth of the volume of China's exports to the US. You're downplaying the amount of influence the US has over world economy through the US dollar, financial institutions, banking, UN, etc. If you knew anything about the amount of influence the US has over the world's economy, you would've never made such a ridiculous statement that Arabs have more influence over China than the US.

 

[SABRE]

Unlike Russia, China actually has the industrial capacity to deliver a large number of jet fighters in a short time. They produce over 120 J-20 jet fighters per year.

J-20 production line is impressive but its not available for exports. However, J-10C production line is less busy. We haven't had a major order for JF-17 until now (with Azerbaijan) so we do not know if its existing production line could timely handle Iranian orders alongside those of Azerbaijan and Pakistan. Perhaps, China could manage Iranian orders on its own. But that is assuming Iran ever orders JF-17. Having said this, I have a feeling that the Iranian defence minister is likely to disappoint forum members with not so exuberant shopping list.

 

[ShapurII]

I think one was seen on satellite imagery

But likely destroyed with S-300, otherwise we would have seen at least 1 or 2 jets downed

Iran should never give up its domestic SAMs, Iran took 20 years of R&D to have B-373, it works better than S-300, the only issue is the production rate

Iran should search for a way to protect the SAMs from drone and ATGM attacks from the inside

The production rate is painfully slow.
We need at least 6-7 units to cover our sky. Ideally, more than 10 units.

 

[SABRE]

Is it me or do they also need to revamp their entire border surveillance reason why Israel was able to get in people weapons and everything in between was because of their borders

Iran need to revamp everything, except for their missile programme, of course.

 

[the saint]

 

[tsunset]

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We badly need sanctions relief

Iran can tell the US that it will stop funding Lebanon and HZ in exchange for sanctions lifting

I personally don't care of Lebanon anymore, PMU can also be used as a bargaining chip

Iran badly needs liquidity, we need those dollars to buy military equipment

 

[SolarWarden]

logically true, but if they removed the centrifuges and all nuclear material before hand, then there is no need for any activity ? You have to assume that they removed a lot of things from that site knowing it was a target the moment the shooting started. ie thinned it out..

But see now they have a problem. They have no place to start enriching again. You need huge expensive facilities to do that and those are the ones that aren't built under a mountain. You won't be able to hide it and you can bet whatever is being built will be hit. The days of waiting years and decades are over. Before the war Iran very likely had enough material to assemble 1-2 bombs but likely not in delivery mode. I don't know if some of the parts that were likely spread out throughout the country got hit by bombing.

 

[Aryan_B]

About time should have been coming here long time ago but better late than never

 

[Aryan_B]

We badly need sanctions relief

Iran can tell the US that it will stop funding Lebanon and HZ in exchange for sanctions lifting

I personally don't care of Lebanon anymore, PMU can also be used as a bargaining chip

Iran badly needs liquidity, we need those dollars to buy military equipment

don't throw baby out with water or whatever the english colloquialism is lol

 

[Aryan_B]

But see now they have a problem. They have no place to start enriching again. You need huge expensive facilities to do that and those are the ones that aren't built under a mountain. You won't be able to hide it and you can bet whatever is being built will be hit. The days of waiting years and decades are over. Before the war Iran very likely had enough material to assemble 1-2 bombs but likely not in delivery mode. I don't know if some of the parts that were likely spread out throughout the country got hit by bombing.

do a deal with Pakistan build one in western Pakistan

 

[ShapurII]

We badly need sanctions relief

Iran can tell the US that it will stop funding Lebanon and HZ in exchange for sanctions lifting

I personally don't care of Lebanon anymore, PMU can also be used as a bargaining chip

Iran badly needs liquidity, we need those dollars to buy military equipment

We can barter with underpriced oil. We have lots of oil.
China will never say no to underpriced oil, I believe.

 

[Tamerlane]

Their first major blow is msm oblivion and inability to control information processing and interpretation...new technology made laughingstock from entire media landscape...and its obviously something is changing there...

They have money, but they are not the only ones that have money...who controls the information controls the politics and public discourse...

They were caught off guard, and they will lose that war, anyway, Iran will have to finish wisely and prepared this last demonstration of power by doomed rivals...they are STILL dangerous. ..

Yes, social media has allowed the Jews to lose control of information to some degree. They’re trying to regain it by imposing restrictions. For example, Facebook, Google etc. censor anti-Israeli posts.

Elon Musk is an example of a white supremacist who made antisemitic comments, but he was forced to bend the knee to Netanyahu.

Any strategy to fight against Israel needs to include plans to liberate the US from the Jews.

 

[vmro]

Lol... What a slap in the face of Bibi's "victory", entire buildings were totally destroyed in Israel, damage that till now only they could inflict on enemies...first time they were looking same impact in own entity...

Trump actually said that he saved the entity, what is among his rarely true statements...
PR of Iran is on the top without Iranian asking for it ..

 

[StrategicBear]

Yes, social media has allowed the Jews to lose control of information to some degree. They’re trying to regain it by imposing restrictions. For example, Facebook, Google etc. censor anti-Israeli posts.

Elon Musk is an example of a white supremacist who made antisemitic comments, but he was forced to bend the knee to Netanyahu.

Any strategy to fight against Israel needs to include plans to liberate the US from the Jews.

Liberating the US from the Jews requires funding Liberal and Left-Leaning Gen Z who are shaken by images of genocide in Gaza.

Therefore, like it or not Muslims in America have to turn a blind eye to some Liberal beliefs if they want allies against Radical Evangelical Christians who are ruling America right now with an even more "Israel-first" attitude than Biden.

Sometimes we need to ally with someone even if we don't necessarily align with their core beliefs or state of being if we want to defeat a greater foe, this is just common sense.