Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[OldTwilight]

This is just a pause:

 

[OldTwilight]

did mr jalili ever was a target?

He is probably a mossad agent as well , he and his followers were main advocator of letting Afghans enter iran without any checking ...

They restarted this Gasht Ershad ( morality police ) and drained our security power with some useless thing like checking Hejab of every woman and girl in street , they just turn so many of Iranians against I.R ...

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

 

[ShapurII]

When did they become our Strategic Allies !? as far as I know , they are in Russia/EU camp .

Armenia is our one and only ally in the Caucasus region.
Pashinyan is trying to slowly leave the Russian camp and switch to the EU. And Iran fully supports this decision because we want to use Armenia for sanctions circumvention.
We currently rely on Turkey, the Emirates and Iraq to do that and Armenia will reduce our economic reliance on these countries.

 

[OldTwilight]

Armenia is our one and only ally in the Caucasus region.
Pashinyan is trying to slowly leave the Russian camp and switch to the EU. And Iran fully supports this decision because we want to use Armenia for sanctions circumvention.
We currently rely on Turkey, the Emirates and Iraq to do that and Armenia will reduce our economic reliance on these countries.

No, They are not our ally , they are just not our enemy. Just don't fall in default Iranians thought process and don't see things as black-white .

 

[tsunset]

Btw, Armenia have deep relations with France, including French military advisors embedded in Armenian government.

There is also European border mission on Armenia’s border with Azerbaijan.

Meanwhile, you are looking at imaginary Israeli traces in Azerbaijan. I have asked for evidence and proof, no one so far have given any. You have so little evidence that you (not you personally) claim something Azerbaijan have procured with money on arms market and is operating must be proof that Israel sent that thing from Azerbaijan (somehow Iranian radars have never been able to pick it up).

PS: If Armenia is Iran’s strategic ally, then on what grounds can you get offended by Azerbaijan having relations with Israel?

With all respect to Azerbaijan, why are Azerbaijani school professors teaching to kids that Iran is a fake nation and that Iran belongs to Azerbaijan with all the 2000 years heritage? Why maps in school of Azerbaijan contains blatantly re-writing of history with fictional countries, including that the America was first discovered by Azerbaijan?

What has Iran done to you? Azerbaijan treats Iran as if Iran genocided millions of azeris and stole your land

Iran is very, very patient with Azerbaijan, Azerbaijan has:

-Rewrote history of Iran, including teaching to young kids the concept of "Turkestan", and that Iranian lands are stolen from Azerbaijan since 2000+ years
- Flew Israeli drones many times inside Iranian airspace, "by mistake" according to them
- Iranians founds remains of cruise missiles from the Caspian sea as well as drones
- Doubts concerning Azerbaijani air fields being used by IDF F-35s

Yet Iran is doing nothing (yet), but don't be surprised if something happens to Azerbaijan, Iran is patient, but there are limits and more and more evidence shows Azerbaijan direct support in attacking Iran

 

[Qaraca]

Armenia's relations with France has been thoroughly discussed and greenlighted by Iran. They want to buy military equipment to use against you (Republic of Azerbaijan) and we are totally fine with that. They need to defend themselves and they find the Russians unreliable.

On the other hand, we support the idea of Armenia improving her ties with Europe as it could be used for circumventing US and European sanctions. So, not only it is not bad for us, but it is in fact good for Iran.

The situation with the Republic of Azerbaijan is different though. We have enough evidence and intel to strongly believe that Israel is actively using Azerbaijani territory to launch their attacks on Iran.

You don't need to be a genius to see the difference. All you need to do is watch Armenian TV channels and your TV channels and compare to see who is friendly to Iran and who is not. It's not that difficult.

Writing the book of hypocricy. Again, you have no grounds to accuse Azerbaijan then.

Where is the evidence and intel? Even the most Iranian officials have said is to “urge Azerbaijan to investigate rumors”, which itself is extremely unfriendly statement, but still a huge difference from what you are claiming. If there is evidence and intel, then show it.

Again, writing the book of hypocricy. Iranian media have always been extremely hostile to Azerbaijan. You even have certain “experts” whos entire job is anti-Azerbaijan propaganda, like Ehsan Mohavedian. There is Sharg Daily with Salar Seyf, maybe more that I’m not aware of. These people even call Azerbaijan a fake country, and with names like “Baku republic”. They have countless times written against Azerbaijan on topic of Karabakh, which is internationally recognized territory of Azerbaijan.

 

[OldTwilight]

With all respect to Azerbaijan, why are Azerbaijani school professors teaching to kids that Iran is a fake nation and that Iran belongs to Azerbaijan with all the 2000 years heritage? Why maps in school of Azerbaijan contains blatantly re-writing of history with fictional countries, including that the America was first discovered by Azerbaijan?

What has Iran done to you? Azerbaijan treats Iran as if Iran genocided millions of azeris and stole your land

Iran is very, very patient with Azerbaijan, Azerbaijan has:

-Rewrote history of Iran, including teaching to young kids the concept of "Turkestan", and that Iranian lands are stolen from Azerbaijan since 2000+ years
- Flew Israeli drones many times inside Iranian airspace, "by mistake" according to them
- Iranians founds remains of cruise missiles from the Caspian sea as well as drones
- Doubts concerning Azerbaijani air fields being used by IDF F-35s

Yet Iran is doing nothing (yet), but don't be surprised if something happens to Azerbaijan, Iran is patient, but there are limits and more and more evidence shows Azerbaijan direct support in attacking Iran

The moment the west show any sign of weakness , we will deal with them. Just don't open too many front for us.

 

[tsunset]

The moment the west show any sign of weakness , we will deal with them. Just don't open too many front for us.

Iran don't need to attack Azerbaijan, they are our neighbors and have the right to exist

But if they directly contribute to the targeting of Iranian land and civilians, proportionate response should be done

 

[Persian Gulf]

Iran claims it has evidence that Israel used Azerbaijan territory/airspace to launch drone attacks against Iran

Iran says it has provided this evidence to Azerbaijan and asked them to open an investigation

 

[Qaraca]

Bro they are not just allies, they love each other like family.

They are the "Genocide-Axis"

Iran’s ambassador to Armenia acts like some kind of Armenian nationalist with his statements. Why the h do you think you can be “strategic allies” to Armenia, but Azerbaijan can’t have relations with Israel?

What genocide have Azerbaijan commited? Genocide axis? I will be waiting for reply. @Musings

Iran claims it has evidence that Israel used Azerbaijan territory/airspace to launch drone attacks against Iran

Iran says it has provided this evidence to Azerbaijan and asked them to open an investigation

Source?

 

[ShapurII]

Writing the book of hypocricy. Again, you have no grounds to accuse Azerbaijan then.

Where is the evidence and intel? Even the most Iranian officials have said is to “urge Azerbaijan to investigate rumors”, which itself is extremely unfriendly statement, but still a huge difference from what you are claiming. If there is evidence and intel, then show it.

Again, writing the book of hypocricy. Iranian media have always been extremely hostile to Azerbaijan. You even have certain “experts” whos entire job is anti-Azerbaijan propaganda, like Ehsan Mohavedian. There is Sharg Daily with Salar Seyf, maybe more that I’m not aware of. These people even call Azerbaijan a fake country, and with names like “Baku republic”. They have countless times written against Azerbaijan on topic of Karabakh, which is internationally recognized territory of Azerbaijan.

The evidence has been provided to your officials during the conversation between Pezeshkian and Aliyev.

You guys started all this. You started to call Iranian Azerbaijan "South Azerbaijan" in your TV and newspapers. You have been doing this for decades. You are a fake country. If it weren't for the Tsarist Russia and later the Soviet Union, you wouldn't have even existed to begin with. You would've been part of Iran, as you should be. The thing that Republic of Azerbaijan calls Iran "a fake nation" is the perfect example of the tail wagging the dog. But I don't want to get into these discussions with you because it will lead to nothing but hate speech and this is not the topic of this thread.

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

He and his corruption and nepotism and the likes of him caused this situation. Remember Alireza Akbari, Deputy Minister of Defence from 1998 to 2003 under Ali Shamkhani? he was a mossad agent and got executed.

 

[OldTwilight]

Iran don't need to attack Azerbaijan, they are our neighbors and have the right to exist

But if they directly contribute to the targeting of Iranian land and civilians, proportionate response should be done

They already done it, our AD Networks completely obliterated in our north western provinces by mossad agents. Afghans don't go to our north western provinces , so you can guess it was work of Pan-Turks who were trained in Turkey/Azerbaijan and some kurds ...

They created a hole in our AD line and from there ,the Zion AF expand the breach and effectively neutralized our AD .

Even I.R which is full of Pan-Turk-Allahi start questioning them , that mean its true and they should be punished for shedding our bloods ...

 

[Qaraca]

The evidence has been provided to your officials during the conversation between Pezeshkian and Aliyev.

You guys started all this. You started to call Iranian Azerbaijan "South Azerbaijan" in your TV and newspapers. You have been doing this for decades. You are a fake country. If it weren't for the Tsarist Russia and later the Soviet Union, you wouldn't have even existed to begin with. You would've been part of Iran, as you should be. The thing that Republic of Azerbaijan calls Iran "a fake nation" is the perfect example of the tail wagging the dog. But I don't want to get into these discussions with you because it will lead to nothing but hate speech and this is not the topic of this thread.

This is the case of seeing what you want to see.

Find me a line where it says what you are saying. It says “Pezeshkian urged to investigate rumors”. Find me the word evidence there

https://president.ir/en/159946

In same article Pezeshkian also says that Iran and Azerbaijan will improve their ties.

If Azerbaijan is a fake country because of that, then Armenia is even more fake. When Russians invaded Caucasus, there was no Armenia, but there were Azerbaijani Khanates. Those Khanates (not all) were vassals of the Qajars, but nothing like today where there are provinces. They had semi-independence and even their armies, tax system etc. This btw was extremeley fluid, some Khanates like said were completely independent. You also don’t know how things would have transpired, maybe those Khanates would have united and waged war against Qajars. Before Qajars, these Khanates were independent and did not submit to Zands (which Qajars replaced).

And then also imagine that Khanates in Caucasus didn’t secede from Iran, you mean you would like to have at least 10 million extra Azerbaijanis in Iran?

Most of what is now Azerbaijan was incorporated into Russian Empire with Gulistan treaty in 1813. Present-day Armenia was occupied later, in 1826 with the Turkmenchay treaty. So, how is Armenia not fake with same logic? I will explain more why it can be argued that it would be more fake by same logic.

Treaty of Turkmenchay - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Russian occupation of the region greately increased the population of Armenians in Caucasus. Armenians who were displaced to Central Iran centuries earlier were relocated to Caucasus by Tsar’s personal decision. More were settled from Ottoman Empire.

Now this is perfect example of who falsifies and re-writes history.