Frustrated Google employee wants to quit as half of his teammates are Indians

[Developereo]

It’s fine to be critical, but dismissing anything Indian without considering the facts suggests a lack of objectivity.

India does have top class universities that have been churning out world class talent for decades. It would be unfair to dismiss all Indians as fake.

 

[Baibers_1260]

I’m not an aeronautical engineer, and I don’t claim to be an expert on bushings but perhaps you could take a look at their page. I do know they’re fully export-oriented and have a manufacturing facility in Ohio, USA. The company they acquired there, Martin Machine, has been making bushings for over 50 years for defence and aeronautical applications. Both their Indian and US facilities are AS9100 and ISO 9001 certified, and they supply Gulfstream as well as some European aeronautical companies.

It’s fine to be critical, but dismissing anything Indian without considering the facts suggests a lack of objectivity.

If were rude I would say L***AO,
(I should sue you for giving me a belly ache laughing.)

Martin Machines is, a defunct company now bought by :
the US Aeropact Manufacturing, LLC in the USA that claims it supplies "aerospace bushings " But does it?
The Indian Aeropact affiliate does not even mention aerospace as an industry served or Gulfstream as a customer.
Kite flying Statement " Gulfstream Aerospace bushings standards we CAN manufacture to:"
It lists part numbers of bushings (legacy Martin ) that could well ( and most likely) be supplied by alternative suppliers in the USA. Nowhere does it say they ARE supplying to Gulfstream They haven't even provided a customer list.
The only "Gulfstream connection " is a claim that Karthik Chinnasamy, Vice President had worked for a coatings company that that did work for Gulfstream in 2005
No Gulfstream aircraft models or projects are mentioned

Nice obfuscation !

Bronze Bearings, Bushings, Washers, Wear Plates | Aeropact

Aeropact manufactures a variety of bronze bearings, bushings, washers, wear plates, and other parts from a wide range of copper-based alloy castings and extrusions.

www.aeropact.com

Products : custom bronze bushings, flanges, washers, spacers, and precision-machined components.

The industries served are:
( so where is aerospace mentioned as an industry served )

• Truck and automotive aftermarket parts
• Pumps and compressors
• Hydraulic cylinders
• Agricultural and construction equipment
• Injecting molding machines
• Winches and hoists
• Industrial equipment
• Valves

By the way I am an R & D engineer myself and have designed bushings for different equipment and applications.
I also advise our purchasing , procurement, on vendor evaluation,
Aeropact is still into the "stone age" of bushings
"Bronze " ... a 200 year technology that is rapidly becoming obsolete . Looks like the Martin Machines sold their "lemons" to Aeropact.
Most industries have long since transitioned to composite self lubricating bushings made of Rulon and other non-metallic bushings .
Check out : https://www.tstar.com/
If your startup would like a consultation on the application of these revolutionary bearings let me know.
To echo your words:
It’s fine to be ambitious but obfuscating and lying without considering that others are intelligent enough to see through suggest a lack of integrity and intelligence
@Developereo

 

[vasanthm]

If were rude I would say L***AO,
(I should sue you for giving me a belly ache laughing.)

Martin Machines is, a defunct company now bought by :
the US Aeropact Manufacturing, LLC in the USA that claims it supplies "aerospace bushings " But does it?
The Indian Aeropact affiliate does not even mention aerospace as an industry served or Gulfstream as a customer.
Kite flying Statement " Gulfstream Aerospace bushings standards we CAN manufacture to:"
It lists part numbers of bushings (legacy Martin ) that could well ( and most likely) be supplied by alternative suppliers in the USA. Nowhere does it say they ARE supplying to Gulfstream They haven't even provided a customer list.
The only "Gulfstream connection " is a claim that Karthik Chinnasamy, Vice President had worked for a coatings company that that did work for Gulfstream in 2005
No Gulfstream aircraft models or projects are mentioned

Nice obfuscation !

Bronze Bearings, Bushings, Washers, Wear Plates | Aeropact

Aeropact manufactures a variety of bronze bearings, bushings, washers, wear plates, and other parts from a wide range of copper-based alloy castings and extrusions.

www.aeropact.com

Products : custom bronze bushings, flanges, washers, spacers, and precision-machined components.

The industries served are:
( so where is aerospace mentioned as an industry served )

• Truck and automotive aftermarket parts
• Pumps and compressors
• Hydraulic cylinders
• Agricultural and construction equipment
• Injecting molding machines
• Winches and hoists
• Industrial equipment
• Valves

By the way I am an R & D engineer myself and have designed bushings for different equipment and applications.
I also advise our purchasing , procurement, on vendor evaluation,
Aeropact is still into the "stone age" of bushings
"Bronze " ... a 200 year technology that is rapidly becoming obsolete . Looks like the Martin Machines sold their "lemons" to Aeropact.
Most industries have long since transitioned to composite self lubricating bushings made of Rulon and other non-metallic bushings .
Check out : https://www.tstar.com/
If your startup would like a consultation on the application of these revolutionary bearings let me know.
To echo your words:
It’s fine to be ambitious but obfuscating and lying without considering that others are intelligent enough to see through suggest a lack of integrity and intelligence
@Developereo

Martin Machines wasn’t defunct — it was a running business sold because the original owners wanted to retire. The company, along with its staff and operations, was taken over by Aeropact. I know this because I’ve had detailed conversations with them.

While their website doesn’t list specific customers (as is common in this sector), they clearly state:
“Our customers include aerospace OEMs, MROs, and several other industry OEMs ranging from Agriculture, Construction, Food Processing, Oil & Gas, Pumps and beyond.”

And from my direct discussions, I know they supply components to aerospace companies in both the US and Europe.

What’s striking is how you seem intent on dismissing any success from India. The fact that a group of middle-class Indians (parents are bank employees)— educated in the West — could return, build up a business, and acquire small companies in the US to grow speaks volumes about the ambition and opportunity here. Meanwhile, for most middle/upper-class Pakistanis, the pinnacle still seems to be getting a job in the West — exactly what you’ve done. Many Indians left that stage behind years ago and are aiming much higher.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@vasanthm @Baibers_1260

Vasanth Garu,

It’s fine to be critical, but dismissing anything Indian without considering the facts suggests a lack of objectivity.

No one on PDF, including Brother Baibers himself, would accuse him of objectivity.

Regards

 

[vasanthm]

Another example: a classmate of mine from Oxford quit his job, returned to India, and co-founded an A/B testing platform called Wingify, probably around 2012 if I remember right. They recently sold the company for $200 million, all from a very middle-class background, and still in their 30s.

And these are direct examples I personally know of, there are hundreds, if not thousands, more stories like this across India. As Indians, we should and do feel rightly proud of the achievements of our youngsters. We’re not about to downplay our success just because our neighbours feel a case of sour grapes.

Brother Baibers, for all his bravado, takes great pride in working mid-level management for a Western company. These young Indians have achieved far more to be proud of — and the Indian ecosystem has enabled that.

 

[arjunk]

I think Pakistani forum will always like to spin negative narritive

The reality is Indians are the most educated richest most upwardly mobile ethnic group in USA and most countries now
They dominate tech engineering etc
They pay taxes and make good contributions to society be it silicon valley NASA Lockheed or Any industry tbh

Sure, no one's angry about Indian mass fraud and scamming, everyone's just jealous of India's wealth, you gotta believe me saar!

 

[itsanufy]

My own experience. Spent 4 years hiring training and team building a design office with multiple trips to your Telugu heartland in Kondapur, Gacchibawli and Bangaluru Whitefield.
I am used to the "cock and bull " fake resumes and Course Completion Certificates from SriSri Vishwakarma University l

With your Pakistani background you got a visa?

@onlinpunit @SoulSpokesman @vasanthm
It is inevitable that Pakistanis will end up working with Indians overseas.
I would earnestly suggest to young overseas Pakistanis in the tech sector to get out of their shell, interact ( as far as possible) with young "techie" Indians most of whom are from South India anyway and harbor far less animosity towards Pakistanis than their Northern counterparts.

Rule 1.
The further South you go the less the animosity. Thus Tamils and Malayalis have the least amount of animosity towards Pakistanis. Among the Southerners Kannadiga might the most hostile.

Rule 2.
Always talk to South Indian Techies in English, even if they claim fluency in basic Hindi ( sprinkled with a lot of Indish words). South Indians especially Tamils have no particular love for the Hindi language and resent what they call an imposition. Speaking to them in Hindi automatically clubs you with their Northern counterparts which they hate.

Rule 3 .
Don't touch or shake hands with Indians ( any Indian) unless he or she offers her hand. Indians have an untouchability rule and as India gets more conservative , all Muslims ( Indian Muslims included) automatically become untouchable because of the diet ( non veg).

Rule 4
In the office canteen or dining hall eat at a separate table unless specifically invited to join. When eating do not touch a glass or dish and pass it along without first asking.

Rule 5
Indian society is highly nuanced. Each group and ethnic linguistic community have their own festivities that are not celebrated and observed in other regions. Find out where your colleagues come from and note the dates of the festivals particularly to their state. Example: Ugadi for Andhra, Pongal for Tamil Nadu, Onam for Kerala. Save the dates to your Smartphone calendar,
Then wish your colleagues on Ugadi ( or any other festival) and see their shock and pleasant surprise.

Rule 6
Never discuss politics, religion ( Islam), or India Pakistan relations. Instead ask the South Indians about their cuisine, art music, theatre and culture. They may throw religion into their culture since it is inextricably bound but be a polite listener. If the Andhra techie talks about the Kuchipudi dance form and Satyabhama depiction, ask about Satyabhama.

Rule 7
Do a basic primer on their religion using either an online resource or ordering some books through Amazon. Since their are many schools of philosophy you may stumble upon the dominant school and you could self-educate accordingly.
( Note: I made this my hobby and acquired some knowledge )

Remember: Techie Indians are not supermen. They have emigrated to earn a living and find their dream lifestyle which is but a dream in their own hometowns. They are ordinary folk simply trying to get away from their own country with no desire at all to go back. Over 20 million have emigrated since 2004.

I hail from East India and have been working as a consultant (non-IT) in the IT sector for over 20 years. Throughout my career, I’ve served in major industrial hubs—including China—and spent more than six years in the UK.

Yes, there is nepotism in the Indian IT infrastructure, but it never overshadows talent. By talent, I mean genuine knowledge, dedication, and relentless hard work. I’ve seen people show up for critical work issues on their wedding days, and during major festivals—Dussehra, Diwali, Holi, Eid, Christmas—you name it. Will anyone in the West (barring perhaps Germany) willingly work through Christmas? Will they wake up in the middle of the night to address a crisis, spend vacations fixing bugs, or work 12+ hour shifts as a norm?

That unwavering commitment is the core USP of Indian professionals.

And let’s not forget—the major global IT players had already established their offshore centers in India long before Indians began reaching top management roles. That happened because the world recognized the sheer caliber and drive of Indian talent.

Indian (or other) consulting companies may take advantage of people on a work visa, but no name brand quality Western company will discriminate in such a way.

I never said that working long hours was a desirable thing. This is something you have injected. I was talking whether people have the skills they claimed on their resume.

At the end of the day, it’s all about economics. Let me share a real-world example from a recent UK deal:

Offshoring to India costs around £175 per day, compared to £450 for local UK resources. If the same task is assigned to a UK citizen, factoring in regulations and overheads, the cost can easily exceed £550 per day. And to top it off, Indian professionals often put in an extra 1–2 hours without hesitation.

When your competitors are already tapping into this model, can you really afford to play the saint?

Every business is not IT.
The automotive, aerospace, petroleum, chemical, and defense sectors are huge, The presence of Indian diaspora in these sectors numbers wise is relatively modest particularly in the oil, gas and petroleum sectors.
I don't see much "startups" in the mechanical engineering industry from US or Western educated engineers and young entrepreneurs.
I was actually involved in helping a Bangaluru based local startup entrepreneur, design develop and manufacture a small gear box to be used in drones. Even with all the help the venture was a disaster with an excessive overrun both in costs and time and an 80% failure rate of the first small batch production delivered.
Beginning from scratch again we later outsourced the design development and production from to the Czech Republic and the results were spectacular .
Indians don't do so well in mechanical aerospace startups.
It is easy to have a "startup " using a laptop. Setting up a tool room with a CMM and CNC machining facility and CAD CAM software with $8000 per license is a different story. The Chinese do this far better-

Over the past two decades, there’s been a noticeable tilt in India toward producing more IT engineers than those from traditional engineering streams. It became a trend—almost a default route for many—driven by the IT boom and the global demand for tech talent.

However, this shift created a gap. Despite the enormous internal demand in India for engineers in core sectors—like infrastructure, manufacturing, and government roles—those fields often took a back seat in terms of youth interest and public discourse.

But that tide is beginning to turn. I personally know professionals who’ve carved out successful careers in traditional engineering domains, especially in the petroleum sector—working in regions like the UK and the Middle East. The global market is once again recognizing the strength and versatility of Indian engineers in these sectors.

 

[nahtanbob]

I don't believe in paper qualifications. Flashing an Ivy League degree is like putting up a sign at a dating session to say 'My mother thinks I am handsome'. If someone does or does not have the skills, it will become evident during an interview test or during work.

I know people who graduated from MIT but who can't do simple calculus any more, let alone advanced math. A lot of people get into quality schools just because they are good at taking tests.

I graduated from a top Boston school. We were actually more expensive than Harvard and MIT, and our people regularly transferred to and from Ivy League schools. We had people who transferred to Harvard then complain that the quality of undergrad education there was actually worse -- mostly relegated to PhD candidates while the professors were busy doing their research.

So, no, paper qualifications don't cut it with me.

To say Boston University or Northeastern is better than MIT in engineering is a stretch. Sure there are going to be successful BU and NE grads in the workforce. There are going to be MIT grads who are not interested in working hard.

Let us not fool ourselves that MIT is not a great school.

 

[Developereo]

At the end of the day, it’s all about economics. Let me share a real-world example from a recent UK deal:

Offshoring to India costs around £175 per day, compared to £450 for local UK resources. If the same task is assigned to a UK citizen, factoring in regulations and overheads, the cost can easily exceed £550 per day. And to top it off, Indian professionals often put in an extra 1–2 hours without hesitation.

When your competitors are already tapping into this model, can you really afford to play the saint?

My comments were all about people working onsite in the West, getting the same compensation as locals.

To say Boston University or Northeastern is better than MIT in engineering is a stretch. Sure there are going to be successful BU and NE grads in the workforce. There are going to be MIT grads who are not interested in working hard.

Let us not fool ourselves that MIT is not a great school.

School reputations are really based on their graduate departments and research achievements. Undergraduate education is mostly the same no matter where you go. The main advantage you get from name brand schools is the name on the diploma. The other advantage is that you may make lifelong connections with kids from wealthy and influential families, and also with professors with important industry connections.

I got my first job because of my professor and the fact that companies approached him for any graduating seniors he could recommend. I didn't really have to interview for the job although I didn't complain about the free trip to California for the token interview.

An Indian friend of mine from college took it to a whole new level. He hooked up with an MIT professor who had connections you wouldn't believe. Literally having lunch with the CEO of IBM, judges in the Swedish Supreme Court, top people in the US government, etc. He leveraged that MIT professor's connections to start a number of companies which they sold off for hundreds of millions.

However, the point I was making was that I don't judge a person's skills based on their paper qualifications. I have known too many people from 'top schools' who are just good at rote learning and taking tests, but nothing more. I also know people from no-name schools who can be trusted to get the job done. You can ask them to do something and rest assured that they will learn whatever is needed and deliver results.

 

[nahtanbob]

School reputations are really based on their graduate departments and research achievements. Undergraduate education is mostly the same no matter where you go. The main advantage you get from name brand schools is the name on the diploma. The other advantage is that you may make lifelong connections with kids from wealthy and influential families, and also with professors with important industry connections.

On the average MIT undergraduates are better than BU undergraduates. I know some of the people who go to MIT as undergrads

 

[Developereo]

On the average MIT undergraduates are better than BU undergraduates. I know some of the people who go to MIT as undergrads

OK, I guess we can disagree.

Btw, I went to an expensive university in the Boston area, not to BU.

 

[vasanthm]

Sure, no one's angry about Indian mass fraud and scamming, everyone's just jealous of India's wealth, you gotta believe me saar!

When a massive industry and ecosystem is created, it inevitably creates opportunities not just for innovators and entrepreneurs, but also for scammers and other elements of society — that’s true anywhere in the world and more so in India given a large amount of population is still just making do. Indian IT’s success is no different. But that doesn’t take away from the bigger picture: India is benefiting enormously. Our talent is driving global tech, creating jobs, paying taxes, shaping industries, and building a new middle and upper-middle class at an unprecedented scale. That’s what truly matters.

 

[r3alist]

You guys are stuck talking about IT outsourcing and backend work for the West, without any real sense of where Bangalore is actually heading. I live next door to Bangalore, and the innovation and progress in the tech scene here is on a completely different level.

We’re seeing 20 year olds and even teenagers building and launching tech products literally from their bedrooms. Some are already dollar millionaires. Just one small example of this bedroom driven innovation:

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Tell me, what do you think 20-year-olds are doing in other developing countries, or even in Pakistan? Pakistanis can mock Indian IT all they want, but what’s happening in India now goes far beyond H-1Bs or the Indian techies abroad. The scale of what’s building up here in India’s tech ecosystem is massive and it’s going to drive growth and opportunities for India’s middle class like never before.

Remember you are talking on PDF, so even if the topic was cheese it would have some India pak dimension to it

I have seen, interacted with an Indian startup company a good few years ago that created sentiment analytic's, NLP, back then it was much less prevalent

and honestly they had a really good product, better than most American vendors.....what actually impressed me was they understood user experience better than the Western products

I don't know what the topic is even, but when this first came up everyone denied that h-1bs were even an issue in the USA, with Americans, hence I remember posting a bit

 

[13 Assassins]

A friend if a friend told me he use to work at an IT company which was owned by Indians. He left because he faced constant racism by indian work colleagues. The chap was white.

 

[vasanthm]

A friend if a friend told me he use to work at an IT company which was owned by Indians. He left because he faced constant racism by indian work colleagues. The chap was white.

Quite possible. In my experience, teams with a majority of Indians often have a work culture where work-life balance takes a back seat, late nights and weekend work are seen as normal. This can understandably clash with expectations, especially for white colleagues who don’t view such hours as standard. I recall Infosys, about a decade ago, trying to recruit white candidates in the West to make teams more acceptable to client companies. That model failed miserably and even led to lawsuits for exactly these kinds of reasons.