JF-17 - Updates, News & Discussion

[RajaBaja]

Calm down buddy don't get your pants in a twist about "Indian flags", I'm not Indian but explained a simple economic fact

The resources available to Pakistan vs available to India have a huge disparity which play a role in force size and defensive or aggressive posture. This isn't even a controversial statement the budgets are free to search up, it's public knowledge

Don't worry about the disparity. We'll fix it. Next time it would be 16 or 26 aircrafts if you can come within 200 KM of your OWN border. I think it may just be ONLY Brahmos. In which case, you should sell your airforce and tanks as scrap metal to Russians (they need numbers quick) and you can just build Brahmos!

We KNOW the planning for a false flag in the upcoming "Maila". The real wait is for S-400 2 more batteries and the destroyed one's to be fixed with new radars. But next count of IAF losses will be from 6 to 16 or 26! Modi's been on sleeping pills since May

 

[Desprado123]

No dude - they have nothing of value. Their serviceability rates due to their old age, offer no value in a high intense war. You will find them become unserviceable very quickly. Mechanical aging of equipment is a serious issue.

As for numbers, look at Wiki. No one will know the real value of the PAF, that would be a "military secret" and, if someone here knows somehow, they would do well to keep their mouths shut ..

Than how other western source or local sources can calculate out total fighter jets.

 

[MastanKhan]

That's some serious cash . Always wish you good luck towards that million mark

Hi,

I am too old for that--also managers don't make that much even though the income is outrageously good---.

Top salesmen always make more.

 

[Yasser76]

You should read my post again with some patience. The platform offered us needed capability with threat requirements. Going forward, the threat assessment may be different and requirements changing also.
Bigger issue isn't JF-17 because it still offers credible BVR options even with less loadout. The major issue is near 200 Mirages and F-7's that need to go and be replace with higher tier jets.

I can read very well thanks. Be great if you could kick off your first couple of days on this forum without patronising people.

 

[RajaBaja]

I can read very well thanks. Be great if you could kick off your first couple of days on this forum without patronising people.

I didn't patronize you. I just told you to read my post with a bit more attention and you'd find your answer in there. Sometimes we miss stuff especially on a mobile device due to small screen.

I've been involved with this community for 25 years. It used to be PDF and then something else. Not my 2nd day here.

 

[Reichmarshal]

The limitation for upgrading the PAF should be lack of money, not the 'desire' to hold onto some 50yr old relic that offers no real military value in modern warfare, and remaining flights hours should not be a decision in modern warfare. Modern wars are so fast now, that you need a plane that you can use at high intensity from the outset and for a sustained period. The Mirage(or F7PGs) simply cannot function in that space anymore. Right now, it would be better to replace those Mirages with the cheaper Block IIs rather than Block IIIs, than carry on with any kind of upgrade for the Mirages. Time to let go of those old relics.

its all about the money....u come up with the cash PAF will replace the planes

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Dear brother, GAN?GaA radar T/R modules consume power and so other sensors. why we didnt put IRST in JF17C? because the JF17C engine cannot provide that much power. @Michael explain this thing in this thread very clearly.

In the case of IRST, physics controls you. In the case of GaN based systems, you control physics.....

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Always Alert !! MashaAllah !!


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The beauty of this bird is it's being agile and slim. It's devoid of any extra weight. Reminds of the great Muhammad Ali inside the boxing ring flying like butterflies all around the humongous opponents and periodically stinging them like hornets till they're fallen and gone....

 

[Bentley777]

Yes, I agree. But there are inherent design issues between these and the JF-17. For example, F-15, F-16, F-18, Draken, Gripen, Mirage 2000, SU-30 / Flankers, all have superior airframe capabilities than the JF-17 airframe and plus, we have its tonnage, speed and range issue.

It's a great platform for being a workhorse for border patrols. No doubt about it and its credible BVR capability it gave Pakistan between early 2000's until May 2025 war with India.

Our threat picture just changed leaps and bounds, so a tier above
JF-17 is needed now.

Mastan Sb - I hope you are well and car sales are well too. I've debated with you on issues in PDF's time. Good to hear from you.

Wish we get j16 for ALCM 2 sq are enough.

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

Wish we get j16 for ALCM 2 sq are enough.

If we can talk to russia and they allow it. will than it be an issue for china?
I know Russia wont allow but lets suppose if Russians allowed.

 

[Bentley777]

If we can talk to russia and they allow it. will than it be an issue for china?

Nope real issue is of Russia permission india will run to putin. PAF is lacking dual engine 4.5 Gen fighter . Thats why if they want to do pfx it's should be dual engine jet. I know we Don't have ecosystem for even jf17 to do fully indigenously but we need expand our eco system thats how you can replace your aging fleet and fill gaps quickly of requirement needed for future.

 

[Oscar]

Don't worry about the disparity. We'll fix it. Next time it would be 16 or 26 aircrafts if you can come within 200 KM of your OWN border. I think it may just be ONLY Brahmos. In which case, you should sell your airforce and tanks as scrap metal to Russians (they need numbers quick) and you can just build Brahmos!

We KNOW the planning for a false flag in the upcoming "Maila". The real wait is for S-400 2 more batteries and the destroyed one's to be fixed with new radars. But next count of IAF losses will be from 6 to 16 or 26! Modi's been on sleeping pills since May

He has a valid point and it is one that I make but with a caveat. The issue isn’t just economic failure in Pakistan that limits the effectiveness of defense but it limits continued warfare because the economy and strategic reserves wont keep not just the military but also the people going beyond a certain timeframe.

 

[Samurai]

JF-17 should be done! It's a 2000's airframe with limits, but a great workhorse! We need to not repeat F-16 attachment again. Time to move on to more advanced jets.

Oscar - Hope you are well. Seeing so many old names after years.

If Trump decides kiss Asim Munir on his forehead and offer F-16V Block 70s, I would say that would be a phenomenal deal right there for Pakistan and a big force multiplier for PAF because F-16 with its advance blocks is still a very capable fighter in the world.

 

[Pakistanithinktank]

If we can talk to russia and they allow it. will than it be an issue for china?
I know Russia wont allow but lets suppose if Russians allowed.

The J-16 lacks stealth capabilities, making it vulnerable to detection by advanced air defense systems like the S-400, raising concerns about its survivability in modern high threat environments. Its twin-engine configuration also results in significantly higher maintenance and operational costs compared to the more efficient single-engine J-10C. While the J-16 is a capable platform in its own right, it doesn’t align optimally with Pakistan’s current strategic and budgetary needs. At this stage, expanding the J-10C fleet remains a more practical choice until the stealth capable J-35A becomes available for procurement.

If Trump decides kiss Asim Munir on his forehead and offer F-16V Block 70s, I would say that would be a phenomenal deal right there for Pakistan and a big force multiplier for PAF because F-16 with its advance blocks is still a very capable fighter in the world.

Pakistan should focus on upgrading its F-16s to the Turkish variant instead of the F-16V, as pro-Israeli and pro-Indian influence in Congress could derail the deal.

 

[Michael]

Wish we get j16 for ALCM 2 sq are enough.

Nope real issue is of Russia permission india will run to putin. PAF is lacking dual engine 4.5 Gen fighter . Thats why if they want to do pfx it's should be dual engine jet. I know we Don't have ecosystem for even jf17 to do fully indigenously but we need expand our eco system thats how you can replace your aging fleet and fill gaps quickly of requirement needed for future.

Can the J-16 be sold? What agencies need approval to sell it? ------ This is totally beside the point. These problems can be completely avoided by adopting appropriate political or technical means.

The core of this issue is money.

According to relevant news from Chinese media:
J-16 standard version: about RMB 650 million / J-16D: about RMB 800 million. The cost of J-20 is about RMB 700 million. This is the cost price that was exposed a long time ago.
1. At that time, the exchange rate of USD-RMB was around 6.5.
2. Since the J-16 series and J-20 series fighters are the main fighters of the PLAAF, relevant Chinese scientific research institutions and the PLAAF are constantly upgrading these fighters. Their current costs are higher than these figures.

If the PAF were to buy the J-16 now (ignoring political factors), the combined price would be around $200-250 million, including spare engines, weapon systems, maintenance parts, training, after-sales services, etc. However, we estimate that the combined price of the FC-31/J-35 (full package) is around $150-200 million. (Although both the J-10CE and J-16 use the WS-10B engine, they are not universal and there are certain differences between them.)

The daily maintenance costs of these heavy fighters are also surprisingly high.