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This what we did with our limited budget.

There is a reason why Trump wanted to host the FM. Everyone in the ruling elite understand the significance of what Pakistan accomplished.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

Do you think Fatah series is still using old steel based casing?

I think Fatah series is a significant effort to modernize our BM inventory and we are going the US way in this regard ;
LM developed PrSM for Army for tactical battlefield strikes .PrSM is really a very simplified & scale-able design.
4m in length, 0.4m diameter class rocket motor , 100kg warhead size and almost 500km range.
Just like F2 that comes with 7.5m Length,0.4m dia motor,365kg warhead and 400km range.

LM adapted the same PrSM for coastal based Anti Ship defence.

U.S. Army Conducts First Anti-Ship Ballistic Missile SINKEX using PrSM - Naval News

The U.S. Army successfully used two Precision Strike Missiles (PrSM) against a moving target at sea, marking a first...

www.navalnews.com

Similarly,F2 is adapted for naval role aka SMASH

The way forward is simple:
Open systems architecture,
Modular and easily adaptable design.
F1 & F2 will make the work horse strike inventory while F4 may be focused towards more survive able solution aka the spear head of pak strike capability.

Let's see how it plays out.

Nope, I was referring to the Shaheen series. Very bulky, rugged, designs and RV & guidance tech is quite unclear, I find passing assertions about how advanced the MaRV is (if it even is one) as premature. I think my pessimism here is justified.

I do agree with you on Fatah series being a step in the right direction, as you said, agile, modular, easy to produce and utilise across services is a smart choice. Hopefully the improvements in baseline technology and materials can bleed into our nuclear arsenal for a new generation of nuclear ballistic missiles. (Like the newer Abdali)

 

[Toxic]

Nope, I was referring to the Shaheen series. Very bulky, rugged, designs and RV & guidance tech is quite unclear, I find passing assertions about how advanced the MaRV is (if it even is one) as premature. I think my pessimism here is justified.

I do agree with you on Fatah series being a step in the right direction, as you said, agile, modular, easy to produce and utilise across services is a smart choice. Hopefully the improvements in baseline technology and materials can bleed into our nuclear arsenal for a new generation of nuclear ballistic missiles. (Like the newer Abdali)

The New Abdali is not nuclear

 

[Rational Philosopher]

The New Abdali is not nuclear

I think the consensus is that it is nuclear, the word is used explicitly in press releases compared to Fatah.

Pakistan tests enhanced version of Abdali missile

Nuclear-capable ballistic missile has 450km range

www.dawn.com

 

[MS Sandhu]

Will SMASH be Menavurable enough to be a proper ASM?

SMASH may have Radar seeker.
Limited course correction maneuver under radar guidance is possible with SMASH.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

SMASH may have Radar seeker.
Limited course correction maneuver under radar guidance is possible with SMASH.

Any updates on what P282 is then? Will it instead be a SCM? Or a hypersonic glide body warhead BM?

 

[the vicious kind]

- No evidence of MaRVs
- No evidence of 'deadly accurate'
- PBVs do not provide terminal maneuverability (it's a completely separate mechanism from MaRV, it works outside the atmosphere!)
- Pakistani missiles still use old steel heavy casing material, with inefficient solid rocket motors and large base fins, which modern missiles have advanced beyond.

A lot of what you are saying is just half made-up cope to feel better, no credible information to back it up.

This guy consistently presents some of the weakest arguments i have seen on the forum. He often relies on selective interpretations, outdated information, and an oversimplified understanding.

"No evidence of MaRVs"
Ababeel's MIRV test alone suggests the foundational tech for MaRVs is either in place or being refined. Just because Pakistan doesn't parade classified terminal maneuvering footage on YouTube doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Most advanced programs don't reveal everything.

"No evidence of 'deadly accurate"
Plenty of missile test videos out there to disprove your absurd claim.

"PBVs don’t provide terminal maneuverability"
Thanks for the textbook definition, but it’s irrelevant. PBVs and MaRVs aren't mutually exclusive. PBVs can deploy MaRVs during midcourse, which then maneuver in the terminal phase.

"Pakistani missiles still use old steel heavy casing material, with inefficient solid rocket motors and large base fins, which modern missiles have advanced beyond"

No, Pakistan isn’t still welding steel pipes together — anyone with even basic knowledge of missile technology can clearly see that the Shaheen series features more compact and refined designs, pointing to the use of composites or lighter alloy casings.Try updating your sources, if you have any.

"Inefficient solid rocket ?" based on what? are you renting a house near NDC? That Irish beer is getting to your head mate..

Large fins are not inherently a sign of backwardness; they are sometimes necessary for our launch profile. Many modern systems still use prominent fins. You have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[Psyko70]

- No evidence of MaRVs
- No evidence of 'deadly accurate'
- PBVs do not provide terminal maneuverability (it's a completely separate mechanism from MaRV, it works outside the atmosphere!)
- Pakistani missiles still use old steel heavy casing material, with inefficient solid rocket motors and large base fins, which modern missiles have advanced beyond.

A lot of what you are saying is just half made-up cope to feel better, no credible information to back it up.

Listen man I dont remember when but years ago when shaheen 2 was tested it was clearly mentioned it used composites and had the ability to bypass abm systems. It means it had something in midcourse or terminal phase to answer the ongoing needs of abm.

People like you and me and other members get knowledge of what is available on the internet. If iran knew how to bypass israel defenses without any experience of war using missiles as main weapon then most of countries especially who rely on ballistic missiles to quickly provide nuclear payload know that as well.

Plus, my 23 years experience in defense forum has told me that pakistan will deliver nuclear if god forbid ever it is required the best way is to use airforce to deliver it just like jf17 kept under radar to hunt s400.

 

[gamaji]

Not to mention the Brahmos they fired at us were all first generation, they haven't fired their newer ones yet.

Yeah, you're right. I think Modi forgot firing his newest versions of BrahMos at Pakistan and rather preferred begging for an immediate ceasefire.

It seems either you are farting or Modi did when the time came.

 

[Metal 0-1]

Yeah, you're right. I think Modi forgot firing his newest versions of BrahMos at Pakistan and rather preferred begging for an immediate ceasefire.

It seems either you are farting or Modi did when the time came.

There's a third possiblity. You were dropped on your head.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

Listen man I dont remember when but years ago when shaheen 2 was tested it was clearly mentioned it used composites and had the ability to bypass abm systems. It means it had something in midcourse or terminal phase to answer the ongoing needs of abm.

People like you and me and other members get knowledge of what is available on the internet. If iran knew how to bypass israel defenses without any experience of war using missiles as main weapon then most of countries especially who rely on ballistic missiles to quickly provide nuclear payload know that as well.

Plus, my 23 years experience in defense forum has told me that pakistan will deliver nuclear if god forbid ever it is required the best way is to use airforce to deliver it just like jf17 kept under radar to hunt s400.

Likely referring to composites on the warhead section only, not the entire body and yes we've seen general ISPR statements about claims that it can defeat ABM systems with no explanation of how or through what general method. (MaRV)

Also, aerial delivery is a completely separate discussion to land delivery, that can't be substituted for land delivery. They are different parts of the nuclear triad. You can't bring that up to justify a potentially weak land delivery system, that is irrelevant here.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

This guy consistently presents some of the weakest arguments i have seen on the forum. He often relies on selective interpretations, outdated information, and an oversimplified understanding.

"No evidence of MaRVs"
Ababeel's MIRV test alone suggests the foundational tech for MaRVs is either in place or being refined. Just because Pakistan doesn't parade classified terminal maneuvering footage on YouTube doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Most advanced programs don't reveal everything.

"No evidence of 'deadly accurate"
Plenty of missile test videos out there to disprove your absurd claim.

"PBVs don’t provide terminal maneuverability"
Thanks for the textbook definition, but it’s irrelevant. PBVs and MaRVs aren't mutually exclusive. PBVs can deploy MaRVs during midcourse, which then maneuver in the terminal phase.

"Pakistani missiles still use old steel heavy casing material, with inefficient solid rocket motors and large base fins, which modern missiles have advanced beyond"

No, Pakistan isn’t still welding steel pipes together — anyone with even basic knowledge of missile technology can clearly see that the Shaheen series features more compact and refined designs, pointing to the use of composites or lighter alloy casings.Try updating your sources, if you have any.

"Inefficient solid rocket ?" based on what? are you renting a house near NDC? That Irish beer is getting to your head mate..

Large fins are not inherently a sign of backwardness; they are sometimes necessary for our launch profile. Many modern systems still use prominent fins. You have no idea what you are talking about.

So basically another guy who has no proof for any claims but goes with simply "just trust me bro, it should exist because I believe so".

There are countless states out there that have MaRV technology and have made it clear without providing any detailed classified footage, no one asked for it either. And mentioning that PBV *can* deploy MaRVs does not prove anything either.

 

[Psyko70]

Likely referring to composites on the warhead section only, not the entire body and yes we've seen general ISPR statements about claims that it can defeat ABM systems with no explanation of how or through what general method. (MaRV)

Also, aerial delivery is a completely separate discussion to land delivery, that can't be substituted for land delivery. They are different parts of the nuclear triad. You can't bring that up to justify a potentially weak land delivery system, that is irrelevant here.

Why should ISPR or anyone tell the world what kind of mechanism is used to defeat ABM ? I like 1 thing you said though, Over optimistic is not a right thing to do. But, you need to understand Over negativity as well.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

Why should ISPR or anyone tell the world what kind of mechanism is used to defeat ABM ? I like 1 thing you said though, Over optimistic is not a right thing to do. But, you need to understand Over negativity as well.

Doesn't need to be anything detailed or classified is what I meant. For example many countries mention MaRV if it is MaRV or HGV, etc, and it's visible on the warhead.

And I agree, negativity is not good but one must also remain realistic, to improve you need to identify areas that require improvement by identifying weakness, but if we say everything is perfect then you'll never improve.

 

[Psyko70]

Doesn't need to be anything detailed or classified is what I meant. For example many countries mention MaRV if it is MaRV or HGV, etc, and it's visible on the warhead.

And I agree, negativity is not good but one must also remain realistic, to improve you need to identify areas that require improvement by identifying weakness, but if we say everything is perfect then you'll never improve.

West literally spends millions of dollars on intelligence just to monitor Pakistan missile and nuclear program. Here I believe what we have will never ever be revealed in Peace time. InshaAllah Pakistan will never have to reveal it.