Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

Sadly this is what happens when you grow up watching bollywood movies where one man can take down 10 people using a banana.
I was once amidst the officials from the Bharati embassy at an informal gathering inside a family setup in Ankara. It was the time of video cassettes then. I got astonished at how much importance they give to these Bollywood movies!
 
I pray to God we 2 neighbors can live in peace when a rational Indian leader comes
There never will be. I had hopes in the Gen Z but contrary to my expectations, despite having extensive experience with Indians in GCC, The hindutva supremacist ideology has penetrated in the minds of lower middle/poor class of India which constitutes most of its population.

Politics will certainly remain hate driven towards Pakistan. Unless and until a liberal/truly secular leader with backing from the upper class comes in, India will keep trying to bully us diplomatically/militarily.
 
A war between India and Pakistan would have a widespread impact across the entirety of Pakistan, while there will be no effects on India or maybe some limited to border areas but, even those would be short-lived. For perspective, the 1971 war lasted only 12 days.

In the Russia-Ukraine war, the impact is being felt across all of Ukraine, while Russia remains largely unaffected. Similarly, during the Israel-Palestine conflict, the entire nation of Israel initially felt the effects due to its small geographical size. However, after the first few days, the conflict has been largely confined to Palestinian territories, with minimal impact on Israel.
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All Pakistani and some Middle Eastern news agencies and channels are reporting heavy troop movements towards the Pakistan border and Indian navy mobilization.
All news agencies are predicting a full fledged war initiated by massive ballistic and cruise missile attacks by India on Pakistan. The Indian Air Force will not be used in the intial assault.
India has a short time window so a war imminent for the following reasons:
  1. Pakistan is improving it's drone, cruise missile, and ballistic missile defenses through pre-planned acquisitions ( HQ19 , KJ500 aircraft and Pantsir clones) which are due to be inducted in a few months.
  2. Pakistan is improving its capabilities to retaliate against massed supersonic cruise missile attacks with the pre-planned acquisition of hypersonic missiles (DF-17 ? ) which may be inducted in a few months,
Objectives:
First we must identify what are NOT the objectives, which is
retaliation against "terrorism " or elimination of "terrorist camps
".
The "new normal " objectives :
  • Tactical objective 1: Complete destruction of the infrastructure of the Pakistani Armed Forces particularly the Pakistani Air Force, and Navy. The targets are obvious: Air Bases, Air Defense systems, Naval bases and shipyards, Maximum damage to Pakistani combat aircraft on the ground. A 3000+ Brahmos and Agni missile attack is envisaged,
  • Tactical objectives 2. Destruction of Pakistan's nuclear weapons storage sites, and nuclear weapons production chain including all industrial units and laboratories . Maximum targeting of uranium enrichment plants possibly using small 5 kiloton warheads to smash through mountain rock and hit underground facilities. In THIS phase India is likely to use sub-kiloton munitions to destroy Pakistan's nuclear weapons assets,
  • Strategic objectives in Phase 2 : 1 Recapture of Azad Kashmir, what India calls Pakistan Azaad Kashmir by a massive air land attack . 2. Blockade and destruction of Karachi by Naval action , 3. Capture of Lahore in a massive armoured
  • Reduction of Pakistan into a landlocked "rump state " like Gaza for a later de-population program.
This is everything badly hurt Indian egos would love to do but the reality outside of Bollywood and Godimedia world - is that they simply cannot.
They got slapped silly when even trying a fraction of this so nothing more than feel good fantasy, which they are very good at.
 
Actually 13th May they tried to track our Maritime Patrol Aircraft and even sent an Mig 29 to intercept it, but we quickly scrambled 2 JF-17s fitted with PL-15 to go near INS Vikrant and to trail behind the Mig-29 which quickly ran away.


Thats the actual story
That's a new thing. Was INS Vikrant out in the open sea or did Mig29K travelled all the way from Mumbai to track our MPA??
 

This was printed on May 14th.
Can't post the whole thing. If anyone has access, read..or not.
Got a snippet though..

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The four-day military clash between India and Pakistan was the most expansive fighting in half a century between the two nuclear-armed countries. As both sides used drones and missiles to test each other’s air defenses and hit military facilities, they claimed to inflict severe damage.

But satellite imagery indicates that while the attacks were widespread, the damage was far more contained than claimed — and appeared mostly inflicted by India on Pakistani facilities. In a new age of high-tech warfare, strikes by both sides appeared to be precisely targeted
."
 
He did not confirm anything about S400. Don’t start creating web of lies.

He just stated that the loss of fighters was due to constraints placed on the IAF by politicians. Thats his views not mine.
I have stated mine here Post in thread 'Opinion Piece: Indian Embassy in Indonesia Confirms Loss of 5 Aircraft including 3 Rafales'

Powerpoint slide in official event with detailed damage to S400 confirm it.
 
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This was printed on May 14th.
Can't post the whole thing. If anyone has access, read..or not.
Got a snippet though..

"
The four-day military clash between India and Pakistan was the most expansive fighting in half a century between the two nuclear-armed countries. As both sides used drones and missiles to test each other’s air defenses and hit military facilities, they claimed to inflict severe damage.

But satellite imagery indicates that while the attacks were widespread, the damage was far more contained than claimed — and appeared mostly inflicted by India on Pakistani facilities. In a new age of high-tech warfare, strikes by both sides appeared to be precisely targeted
."

India blocked SAT images but dozens of videos of damage inflicted by Fatah missiles are online.

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Shame on NYT for not mentioning that!

Sorry, but I don't follow "twitter news".
 

This was printed on May 14th.
Can't post the whole thing. If anyone has access, read..or not.
Got a snippet though..

"
The four-day military clash between India and Pakistan was the most expansive fighting in half a century between the two nuclear-armed countries. As both sides used drones and missiles to test each other’s air defenses and hit military facilities, they claimed to inflict severe damage.

But satellite imagery indicates that while the attacks were widespread, the damage was far more contained than claimed — and appeared mostly inflicted by India on Pakistani facilities. In a new age of high-tech warfare, strikes by both sides appeared to be precisely targeted
."

"Far more contained then claimed" - 100% correct.
 
That lack of strategic depth is a killer for Pakistan like for ever.
They have virtually no reaction time to super sonic Brahmos
Yet India will deploy both the brahmos hypersonics in future and Russian hypersonic Bvrs for super Mki upgrade and su57 if they opt for it

People sometimes talked about it in past in this forum and sindoor proved the point

The key is no time for Pak air defense to attack

I think long term the have to strike first to obliterate the Indian hypersonic threat at the outset
That's fifth generation fighters that cross loc and massive improved stand off hypersonics of their own.

Indian air defense will get thicker with more s400 more next gen akaskh and khusha system too
 
This is everything badly hurt Indian egos would love to do but the reality outside of Bollywood and Godimedia world - is that they simply cannot.
They got slapped silly when even trying a fraction of this so nothing more than feel good fantasy, which they are very good at.
You're an imbecile if you don't think they won't try this and then watch Pakistan with its pants down. They are foolish, reckless, and ambitious and high on whatever they believe about Pakistan. Why isn't possible to do the above? They know the Pakistanis will wimper out each escalation like they have done in the past 10 years. For wanting peace and talks, wanting cricket match, wanting Indian acceptance - this is all very true. Pakistan lack the fight in them just like all Muslims. These "Muslims" are a spend force and quickly seek peace with the Non-Muslims. Dare, I said it. Can't blame us, its 300 years of colonialism which has alter the Islamic character of Muslims.
 

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