Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Baibers_1260]

Lol the sky is falling

I agree it sounds unrealistic but the fact that this is being discussed seriously by think tanks in India an in the media is significant.
- Recovery of Azad Kashmir is an objective the Armed Forces of India have already been tasked with since 1991
-Destruction of Pakistan's existing nuclear weapons assets and delivery systems is an objective the Indian Air Force and Indian Navy has already been tasked with since 1995.

There is a breakdown of the International Rules Based Order and India would very much like to take advantage of the prevailing environment.

 

[Yasser76]

All Pakistani and some Middle Eastern news agencies and channels are reporting heavy troop movements towards the Pakistan border and Indian navy mobilization.
All news agencies are predicting a full fledged war initiated by massive ballistic and cruise missile attacks by India on Pakistan. The Indian Air Force will not be used in the intial assault.
India has a short time window so a war imminent for the following reasons:

1. Pakistan is improving it's drone, cruise missile, and ballistic missile defenses through pre-planned acquisitions ( HQ19 , KJ500 aircraft and Pantsir clones) which are due to be inducted in a few months.
2. Pakistan is improving its capabilities to retaliate against massed supersonic cruise missile attacks with the pre-planned acquisition of hypersonic missiles (DF-17 ? ) which may be inducted in a few months,

Objectives:
First we must identify what are NOT the objectives, which is
retaliation against "terrorism " or elimination of "terrorist camps ".
The "new normal " objectives :

• Tactical objective 1: Complete destruction of the infrastructure of the Pakistani Armed Forces particularly the Pakistani Air Force, and Navy. The targets are obvious: Air Bases, Air Defense systems, Naval bases and shipyards, Maximum damage to Pakistani combat aircraft on the ground. A 3000+ Brahmos and Agni missile attack is envisaged,
• Tactical objectives 2. Destruction of Pakistan's nuclear weapons storage sites, and nuclear weapons production chain including all industrial units and laboratories . Maximum targeting of uranium enrichment plants possibly using small 5 kiloton warheads to smash through mountain rock and hit underground facilities. In THIS phase India is likely to use sub-kiloton munitions to destroy Pakistan's nuclear weapons assets,
• Strategic objectives in Phase 2 : 1 Recapture of Azad Kashmir, what India calls Pakistan Azaad Kashmir by a massive air land attack . 2. Blockade and destruction of Karachi by Naval action , 3. Capture of Lahore in a massive armoured
• Reduction of Pakistan into a landlocked "rump state " like Gaza for a later de-population program.

Any links to these "reports"?

 

[Master Chief]

A war between India and Pakistan would have a widespread impact across the entirety of Pakistan, while there will be no effects on India or maybe some limited to border areas but, even those would be short-lived. For perspective, the 1971 war lasted only 12 days.

In the Russia-Ukraine war, the impact is being felt across all of Ukraine, while Russia remains largely unaffected. Similarly, during the Israel-Palestine conflict, the entire nation of Israel initially felt the effects due to its small geographical size. However, after the first few days, the conflict has been largely confined to Palestinian territories, with minimal impact on Israel.

Actually, this is a seemingly logical take, for once. However, I would put it to you that warfare has a whole new dynamic now, different to anything seen before.

Missiles and drones will dominate. As long as Pakistan maintains range and supply of arms, which we are now working to ensure, the pain inflicted across the whole of India will easily match anything India can offer. Just watch the footage of hypersonic missiles striking in Israel and you will see my point - that is coming from Iran, with no air force whatsoever, against a well-defended Israel.

The India-Pakistan paradigm is not even directly analogous - in fact, India and Pakistan are far more closely matched in military terms than Iran and Israel.

Indeed, Pakistan currently has some advantages, as demonstrated recently, which we also need to preserve and exploit fully.

 

[Master Chief]

As if lying about the plane losses was not difficult enough Trump sticks the sharp end of his stick in Modi's rear end every second day.....)


"This appears to be the 17th or 18th time across all public platforms that Trump has made the claim that the US facilitated the ceasefire between the South Asian neighbours in May by leveraging trade negotiations.

As The Wire has reported before, the US administration had also formalised the claim in a legal document, with US Commerce Secretary Howard W. Lutnick stating in a written filing to a New York federal court that Trump used trade access as an incentive to “avert a full-scale war” between India and Pakistan."

'Used Trade to Stop India-Pakistan War': Trump Repeats Claim Again

'I was negotiating with both of them and I said to [treasury secretary] Scott [Bessent], I said to Howard [Lutnick], cancel all deals with India and Pakistan. They're not trading with us because they're in a war.'

thewire.in

The constant hyphenation of India and Pakistan tells us he does not give a single crap about India's "strategic" value to USA's interests. Not one flying rat.

 

[Be dazzled]

Lol . They live in their universe.

Reporting from Galaxy Bollywood saaar.

 

[RescueRanger]

Reporting from Galaxy Bollywood saaar.

Sadly this is what happens when you grow up watching bollywood movies where one man can take down 10 people using a banana.

 

[Be dazzled]

Sadly this is what happens when you grow up watching bollywood movies where one man can take down 10 people using a banana.

True. Many of them are so far away from the real world it's not even funny. The irony, they believe the bubble around them to be the ultimate truth. Talk about living in a delusion.

The world spins around india, not the sun.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

There are strong signs that the Indian government would want to find a reason to conduct strikes within Pakistan on some pretext. That is why their Operation Sindhoor is ongoing.

Knowing their psyche, they are angry they lost some strategic assets and an S400 (potentially). They would want to make it even.

S400 is 100% confirmed now by some Indian army officer in Indonesian event.

 

[Developereo]

Based on where India found its advantage last month, I believe India is stocking up on BrahMos. It will send a daily barrage of 100 BrahMos a day for at least two weeks nonstop to start the next war.

I hope we have a strategy to handle that. Israel ran out of intereptors. India is counting on the same thing happening to us.

 

[Yasser76]

Based on where India found its advantage last month, I believe India is stocking up on BrahMos. It will send a daily barrage of 100 BrahMos a day for at least two weeks nonstop to start the next war.

I hope we have a strategy to handle that.

We need think asymmetrically like we did on 7th May where we used EW/Cyber to our advantage.

It will be impossible to find and destroy most of their ground based Brahmos launchers and the missile is a good weapon.

We have other options then just getting involved in a missile lobbing war, where both sides damage each other bases. In that scenario India wins, as it can move assets far far back. PAF cannot.

If IAF are held 200km back and out of range just using long range missiles thanks for threat from PAF, that leaves Pak Army free to enter major Indian towns and cities near the border with PAF air cover. Indian Army will then have to counter without IAF air support.

This alone would then send them into a panic. What do they do next? Send in their fighters to support Army with risk of getting shot down or let Indian army be at mercy of PAF?

In which case they can arry of lobbing Brahmos from afar whilst we can win and hold Indian territory.

Let us dominate the escalation ladder again, not them

 

[Master Chief]

We need think asymmetrically like we did on 7th May where we used EW/Cyber to our advantage.

It will be impossible to find and destroy most of their ground based Brahmos launchers and the missile is a good weapon.

We have other options then just getting involved in a missile lobbing war, where both sides damage each other bases. In that scenario India wins, as it can move assets far far back. PAF cannot.

If IAF are held 200km back and out of range just using long range missiles thanks for threat from PAF, that leaves Pak Army free to enter major Indian towns and cities near the border with PAF air cover. Indian Army will then have to counter without IAF air support.

This alone would then send them into a panic. What do they do next? Send in their fighters to support Army with risk of getting shot down or let Indian army be at mercy of PAF?

In which case they can arry of lobbing Brahmos from afar whilst we can win and hold Indian territory.

Let us dominate the escalation ladder again, not them

Add to it - hardened civilian shelters (which unfortunately will take 10 years or more!) and shifting of military assets to hardened cover.

Also - sinking an enemy ship would have a similar psychological impact to ground advances into border cities, should they choose to send some assets close enough to us.

 

[Olympus81]

Based on where India found its advantage last month, I believe India is stocking up on BrahMos. It will send a daily barrage of 100 BrahMos a day for at least two weeks nonstop to start the next war.

I hope we have a strategy to handle that. Israel ran out of intereptors. India is counting on the same thing happening to us.

The Indians probably found Brahmos handy on May 10, when they kept launching salvos of Brahmos towards Pakistan predominantly through Su30MKIs deep within their airspace and through land based assets.

Pakistan intercepted majority of the missiles through soft kills, hence why a few of the Brahmos missed their mark. Some failed to be intercepted and did damage on Pakistani bases.

They certainly will use Brahmos in the next battle with Pakistan, no doubt.

For Pakistan, an offensive posture would be a cheaper and quicker option. Procurement of C400s, DF17s and showing these toys would go a long way to send a message to the adversary.

Air defense and integration, to protect against a supersonic projectile is a long and expensive journey.

 

[Vkdindian1]

S400 is 100% confirmed now by some Indian army officer in Indonesian event.

He did not confirm anything about S400. Don’t start creating web of lies.

He just stated that the loss of fighters was due to constraints placed on the IAF by politicians. Thats his views not mine.
I have stated mine here -https://defencepk.com/forums/threads/opinion-piece-indian-embassy-in-indonesia-confirms-loss-of-5-aircraft-including-3-rafales.24490/post-801982
A new round of celebrations are likely to start quoting half truths, mixing with lies and quoting a part of statement made by the Indian DA in Indonesia.

 

[Corax]

He did not confirm anything about S400. Don’t start creating web of lies.

He just stated that the loss of fighters was due to constraints placed on the IAF by politicians.

Complete garbage. You don't attack using 70 fighters if all you intend to do is kill unarmed civilians in mosques. Your incompetent air force underestimated the capabilities of the PAF and the J10/PL15 combo, which you can't admit, instead blaming the incompetence of the IAF on the politicians.

 

[Yasser76]

Add to it - hardened civilian shelters (which unfortunately will take 10 years or more!) and shifting of military assets to hardened cover.

Also - sinking an enemy ship would have a similar psychological impact to ground advances into border cities, should they choose to send some assets close enough to us.

Yeah, what has happened over last 6 years is Indians thought air power was a good way of striking Pakistan with low risk. Yes, they lost many planes and missed but also scored some hits on the recent escalation. Next time they will use air power again, probably with similar disasterous results and now in fact will try and paint any military failure as a victory to domestic audiences. We can expect that.

What we can do now that they are hiding behind air power is what the Chinese did on Indians borders but with more force. No need to go crazy and aim for all of Kashmir or Punjab.

Bhuj, Bikaner, Amirtsar. Three places very close to Pakistan. If PAF has succeeded in pushing IAF 200km back, Pak Army now needs to show up and take and hold these town which will have a MASSIVE psycological impact on Indians. They will then have the choice of pushing IAF to counter PAF or (more likley) Modi will be on the phone again too Trump quicker then you can say "Upcoming poll results".

If IAF really are scared of our planes and missiles we need to use this advantage.
This will also put many Indian air defence assets out of operation and also mean even more Indian AD will be within SPH range of Pak armoured columns.