Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

If true, they should do it soon. It'll be fun.

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IMO the PAF won't release anything new to respect the ceasefire initiated by President Trump, who doesn't forget disloyalty and dishonoring the commitment from the subordinates that easily....

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Kounsar Naag Yatra 2025​

the Indian leadership is planning to blame Pakistan after the attack on this annual festival in Kasmir.

And are hoping more open and active Participation of Israelis and through them the Americans in the next war with Pakistan, this is why a blog by an Indian American in some American sites is being spread around which alleges that Pakistan is planning an ICBM to target America.
no matter how ridiculous and stupid this sounds but the allegation is being spammed so much that some social media channels have joined the debate since the topic is hot at it attracts viewership,

Israel has set such a precedent that no country feels the need to justify its aggression if it has the means to carry it out and knows that the UN and the world community wont do more than some lip service.

Indian airforce has been humbled twice already and its army didnt do much other than trade some artillery with Pakistani military so India will really on Missile strikes and maybe Naval assault which it has already announced.
how Pakistan will respond should remain a secret and its better shows when the time arrives rather than tells now.

Given how President Trump has showed his anger even over Israil for not following through the ceasefire, the Hindutva leadership may not tread on that unchartered waters. The powers that matter can't afford the possibility of a nuclear war, and that too to satisfy the ego of lowly Modi & Co....

 

[El Sidd]

All Pakistani and some Middle Eastern news agencies and channels are reporting heavy troop movements towards the Pakistan border and Indian navy mobilization.
All news agencies are predicting a full fledged war initiated by massive ballistic and cruise missile attacks by India on Pakistan. The Indian Air Force will not be used in the intial assault.
India has a short time window so a war imminent for the following reasons:

1. Pakistan is improving it's drone, cruise missile, and ballistic missile defenses through pre-planned acquisitions ( HQ19 , KJ500 aircraft and Pantsir clones) which are due to be inducted in a few months.
2. Pakistan is improving its capabilities to retaliate against massed supersonic cruise missile attacks with the pre-planned acquisition of hypersonic missiles (DF-17 ? ) which may be inducted in a few months,

Objectives:
First we must identify what are NOT the objectives, which is
retaliation against "terrorism " or elimination of "terrorist camps ".
The "new normal " objectives :

• Tactical objective 1: Complete destruction of the infrastructure of the Pakistani Armed Forces particularly the Pakistani Air Force, and Navy. The targets are obvious: Air Bases, Air Defense systems, Naval bases and shipyards, Maximum damage to Pakistani combat aircraft on the ground. A 3000+ Brahmos and Agni missile attack is envisaged,
• Tactical objectives 2. Destruction of Pakistan's nuclear weapons storage sites, and nuclear weapons production chain including all industrial units and laboratories . Maximum targeting of uranium enrichment plants possibly using small 5 kiloton warheads to smash through mountain rock and hit underground facilities. In THIS phase India is likely to use sub-kiloton munitions to destroy Pakistan's nuclear weapons assets,
• Strategic objectives in Phase 2 : 1 Recapture of Azad Kashmir, what India calls Pakistan Azaad Kashmir by a massive air land attack . 2. Blockade and destruction of Karachi by Naval action , 3. Capture of Lahore in a massive armoured
• Reduction of Pakistan into a landlocked "rump state " like Gaza for a later de-population program.

It's a very delicate situation with India refusing mediation and insisting on continuing Operation Sindoor. Water blackmail has turned the situation much more serious.

India has climbed the escalatory ladder so high that she cannot come safely down nor go all the way up.

 

[TAC]

But why hasn't any media outlet shown any satellite pictures of indian airbases? if theu write articles to compare/contrast damage in the respective countries assets, they would show sat pics of both Pak and indian bases wouldn't they?

Again with the coping BS. Damage confirmed limited on both sides so u need satellite images for who and for what purpose? U only keep pushing that point because it’s all u have to deflect the humiliating shoot down of 6 of your top jets well within your own airspace. Cope harder.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

India Attack | New War | Few Week Important | Pressure on Pakistan | Trump Warns |​

Looks like the Pak DM has received better briefings and coaching's this time...

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[TAC]

Can we really get over this damage thing on ground? Here is a simple questionnaire:

Did some of Pakistani projectiles actually land in India defeating the Indian AD - YES

Did they cause damage? - YES (as self admitted by Ms Vyomika)

What about SAT imagery? - Well, How about damged equipment and personnel having been moved quickly?

Did Pakistan intercept atleast some indian projectiles? - YES.

Did India hit targets on PAF bases with accuracy? YES.

Did Pakistan manage to hit back with same accuracy - Apparently NO

Did Indian strikes actually cause any significant damage? No except bholari.

Was the accuracy of brahMos a dangerous signal for Pakistan? - YES. Given the fact that they could launch in large numbers, if war continued.

Could the choice of weapons for Pakistan be better? YES.

Did India move up the escalation ladder more quickly than Pakistan? YES. Given the fact that they resorted to their top tier weapons so quickly in conflict.

Please can I add small matter of 6 top IAF jets shot down in their own airspace and IAF being grounded for 2 whole days in a 4 day war - was that a dangerous signal for India, to say the least — YES

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Again with the coping BS. Damage confirmed limited on both sides so u need satellite images for who and for what purpose? U only keep pushing that point because it’s all u have to deflect the humiliating shoot down of 6 of your top jets well within your own airspace. Cope harder.

And, most importantly grounding the IAF in the midst of a war! It shows the Hindutva isn't ready for any war even with an adversary with a 10x smaller economy! War means tactical losses by tons, but not getting rattled from the strategic objectives. The Bharati leadership wants to play in the league of great powers with a chicken heart. It's so ridiculous....

 

[Corax]

Again with the coping BS. Damage confirmed limited on both sides so u need satellite images for who and for what purpose? U only keep pushing that point because it’s all u have to deflect the humiliating shoot down of 6 of your top jets well within your own airspace. Cope harder.

Dude, I ain't no jeet I was merely pointing out why people like NYT have access to sat pics of Pak airbases, but strangely do not show any of indian bases.

 

[lightning f57]

This shows that you are either a kid or have a serious comprehension issues.
NYT, could not get any images because India does have a restriction in place, but it applies to only the companies that seek business in India and have to follow this directive. These are basically located in the west.

Your iron brothers China aren’t under India control and can do whatever they want. They have adequate number of commercial as well military satellites to get whatever images they want for any Indian facility.
ISPR and the Pak Mil, must have got hold of these pictures and found nothing to show to the world. A heartbreaking moment for the fanboys who now had to rely on shaky, low res videos to fight the case.
As I said, sell this to your brethren.

Its a plausible theory that due to little or no damage no satellite images were released.

However we can't know for sure unless before and after pictures are seen. This for me is crux of the matter.

No one is doubting India damaged Pakistani bases, the extent is disputed, no one can doubt India lost aircraft although the no are disputed.

 

[Baibers_1260]

It's a very delicate situation with India refusing mediation and insisting on continuing Operation Sindoor. Water blackmail has turned the situation much more serious.

India has climbed the escalatory ladder so high that she cannot come safely down nor go all the way up.

Mediation is a forgotten word. I am afraid there are dark days ahead, The earlier wars between India and Pakistan were not total wars and were limited to action on the border and air raids on strictly military facilities mostly rival air bases. For the average civilian, life went on as usual. The wars rarely lasted more than a few weeks.
Now the object of the enemy is complete dismantling of the civilian economic infrastructure and massive destruction of cities with huge civilian casualties. This is a reversal to the tactics during World War 2 by all belligerents. The war will continue till one side is destroyed. It's a fight to the finish with only one survivor.
War gamers who believe that the threat of nuclear escalation will limit the scope of the war are mistaken, India, genuinely believes that a nuclear war with Pakistan CAN be won, simply because of India's size, population base, and improved missile defenses. Because of Pakistan's current imperfect missile defense ( though soon to be improved ), India is fairly confident of a decapitating first strike, and any residual feeble retaliation by Pakistan even if one or two small nuclear weapons are used is worth the effort. The long term strategic goal is the elimination of Pakistan and Bangladesh and the removal and depopulation of the sub-continent from Muslims. Because the dispute is no longer about territory or terrorism but about a 1500 year old "grievance " and revenge there is no scope for talks and mediation.

 

[NationalistPKDude132]

the understanding was that the so called terror attack will be alleged not before that big Annual Yatra thing? a a rebranded group will attack the Yatra and kill some random unimportant mid to lower cast Hindus and the Godi media will blame Pakistan and hostilities will resume.

They wont attack until they are prepared to do so after the cucking they got so i expect after 1-2 years

 

[TAC]

Its a plausible theory that due to little or no damage no satellite images were released.

However we can't know for sure unless before and after pictures are seen. This for me is crux of the matter.

No one is doubting India damaged Pakistani bases, the extent is disputed, no one can doubt India lost aircraft although the no are disputed.

Limited easily repaired damage confirmed on Pakistan side by multiple reliable sources. Only ‘disputed’ by Indians still in cope mode. Indian sites were hit too and India’s spokesperson confirmed material and manpower damage after this strikes. The Big take away is the 4 confirmed with undeniable proof but upto 6 top IAF jets shot down within its own airspace. Humiliation of epic proportions.

 

[side-winder]

Please can I add small matter of 6 top IAF jets shot down in their own airspace and IAF being grounded for 2 whole days in a 4 day war - was that a dangerous signal for India, to say the least — YES

The air-air war belonged to PAF. No disputes about that. Even the indians with basic sense of rationality don't dispute that fact.

 

[flyingorca]

When the thunder of Agni’s chariot splits the heavens, the owl questions not the storm's origin, but hoots in the dark hoping to halt dawn..........Did the serpent wait for the mongoose's certificate before it struck ? Nay........The blade needs no trial when truth is its whetstone.

You ask.....why now ? why not then ? But O seeker of convenient confusion know this.............The cosmic dance of Karma does not twirl to your timeline......... The reckoning arrives not when the guilty flee, but when the divine pointer hovers, and says now.

As for ‘random buildings’ even Lord Vishwakarma chuckled.........When your ivy blooms bullets, and your scholars chant Kalashnikov mantras, expect convocations signed in brimstone...........Verily, the boom speaks clearer than a thousand dossiers.

He who shelters the arsonist must not complain of smoke in his sanctum.

What in the BJP chatgptjeet is going on here?

 

[Jamie]

Kounsar Naag Yatra 2025​

the Indian leadership is planning to blame Pakistan after the attack on this annual festival in Kasmir.

And are hoping more open and active Participation of Israelis and through them the Americans in the next war with Pakistan, this is why a blog by an Indian American in some American sites is being spread around which alleges that Pakistan is planning an ICBM to target America.

Don’t know about the festival thing…. But something is definitely brewing up.
They might just preemptively attack our airbases to cause sone serious dmg to air assets.
Been hearing that the next round is very close from some insiders….