Frustrated Google employee wants to quit as half of his teammates are Indians

[vasanthm]

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Interesting video
@r3alist @vasanthm @sentry

Completely agree with this video, a lot is going to change. Run of the mill software engineering will increasingly feel like a conveyor belt job rather than the artisan craft it once was. But as history has shown with every technological shift, while some roles may perish, many more, and often better opportunities will emerge. Will India benefit from this? My guess is yes, and I certainly hope I’m right.

 

[nahtanbob]

thats only because indians are servile and can bend over and serve the BoD better. nothing to do with talent.

@S.Y.A
For some reason you are telling me Pakistanis are not servile and not willing to bend over to board of directors of world class companies

But they are willing to be servile and bend over to a bunch of petty businessman in Saudi Arabia, UAE and Greece of the world for 1/100 or 1/1000 of what Microsoft, Google and Adobe CEOs make

 

[vasanthm]

Pardon me, do you expect to be believed when you are begging for validation on an anonymous online forum while presenting demonstrably nonsensical claims? If so, then you've embarrassed your alma mater. It's not the flex you thought it was.

Demonstrably nonsensical claims? If saying that many well educated Indians are returning to build businesses sounds 'nonsensical' to you, then you’re stuck in some la la land where Indians can only be software coolies. The reality is different, there’s a growing wave of startups, high value work, and Indians with global exposure coming back to create and scale businesses here. I see it daily.

And honestly, studying at Oxbridge isn’t the flex you imagine, claiming I cracked the IITs would’ve been far more impressive! I studied at western universities, chose to return to India just like many others and that alone shatters the tired stereotype you’re so desperate to cling to.

Even now, sure, many still aim to settle abroad. But what’s changed is that experienced Indians abroad now see real value in returning. What used to be called 'brain drain' has turned into a net positive, helping bring in more business, investment, and higher value work. The hundreds of millions in VC funds pouring into India aren’t happening by accident. You can keep denying what’s plain to see.

 

[Baibers_1260]

Well someone lacks basic comprehension of business

Satya Nadella does not own Microsoft. He serves as CEO as the pleasure of the shareholders who are represented by Board of Directors. Before you poo poo the Microsoft board of directors they have accomplished more than 250 million Pakistanis. A lot of CEOs have not delivered 2000% returns Nadella has presided over. A lot of CEOs do not survive as long as Nadella did.

I choose Adobe, Microsoft and Google because of their longevity, their returns and their tenure as CEOs. Look at parade of CEOs at Intel. It is not easy being a CEO. You pretend like it is being Prime Minister of Pakistan where you can smooch up to the generals and keep your job.

Adani on the other hands runs his own company. He might be corrupt businessman with shady financial practices. I suppose he is not accountable to anyone. He might be an oligarch whose fortunes are somewhat dependent on who is in power in India.

Who contributes more to the INDIAN economy?
Adani or Satya Nadella ?
Do "Indian origin" ( not Indian ) CEOs sitting far away in the USA benefit INDIA more than the Adanis Tatas, Ambanis, or Birlas ?
How much employment do they generate IN India a country of 1.4 billion?
A comparison:
Chinese origin CEOs are very few or non-existent in the USA so by comparison the Chinese should be at the same level as Pakistan with zero CEOs ( since that is the benchmark for India) in economic and technical progress?
We don't see Chinese "techies" slaving 12 hour shifts living 5-6 in a shared apartment living off rice,dal, spinach, and avakaya, Wonder why ?
Yet China is able to develop AI EW systems to spoof the Indian Air Force' s fighter jets.

Would like to have your views on why this is so.

@r3alist

 

[Baibers_1260]

Completely agree with this video, a lot is going to change. Run of the mill software engineering will increasingly feel like a conveyor belt job rather than the artisan craft it once was. But as history has shown with every technological shift, while some roles may perish, many more, and often better opportunities will emerge. Will India benefit from this? My guess is yes, and I certainly hope I’m right.

I am thankful I chose my "nuts and bolts " mechanical engineering as a faculty. So far ( per my knowledge) no AI has come up with a digital mechanical engineer that can design a complex hydraulic system along with the simulations, calculations, CFD and DFMEA. I still make my own old fashioned spreadsheets and sketch the , schematics and model the installations. My pad, pencil, pencil sharpener and eraser are still needed as well as the grey cells in my brain.

 

[r3alist]

Who contributes more to the INDIAN economy?
Adani or Satya Nadella ?
Do "Indian origin" ( not Indian ) CEOs sitting far away in the USA benefit INDIA more than the Adanis Tatas, Ambanis, or Birlas ?
How much employment do they generate IN India a country of 1.4 billion?
A comparison:
Chinese origin CEOs are very few or non-existent in the USA so by comparison the Chinese should be at the same level as Pakistan with zero CEOs ( since that is the benchmark for India) in economic and technical progress?
We don't see Chinese "techies" slaving 12 hour shifts living 5-6 in a shared apartment living off rice,dal, spinach, and avakaya, Wonder why ?
Yet China is able to develop AI EW systems to spoof the Indian Air Force' s fighter jets.

Would like to have your views on why this is so.

@r3alist

On the point of Indian ceo's, I don't disparage them because it's plausible that they are appropriate candidates, the corporate rat races of course the corporate race, and who really cares about meritocracy these days, if one gets it over the other meh..

the main point I see is that the choice of CEO is almost always large part a question of internal and even external politics, there is no way it cannot be. Hence maybe very few Chinese ceos, there must be so many plausible candidates

On Chinese workers, yes it's true that they actually go back to China by choice

 

[vasanthm]

I am thankful I chose my "nuts and bolts " mechanical engineering as a faculty. So far ( per my knowledge) no AI has come up with a digital mechanical engineer that can design a complex hydraulic system along with the simulations, calculations, CFD and DFMEA. I still make my own old fashioned spreadsheets and sketch the , schematics and model the installations. My pad, pencil, pencil sharpener and eraser are still needed as well as the grey cells in my brain.

These days, when young people ask me for advice, I encourage them to choose a traditional field they’re genuinely passionate about. The initial pay might be lower, and yes, it could involve more field work or hands on effort, but in the long run it often rewards you with better finances, quality of life, and work life balance as you grow older.

If I’m honest, knowing what I know now, I might have chosen something like law, I find it increasingly fascinating as I get older. Technology was my passion when I was younger (and still is), but I’ve come to appreciate how much impact the so called traditional fields have on society, far more than we often imagine.

 

[nahtanbob]

Who contributes more to the INDIAN economy?
Adani or Satya Nadella ?

Indian origin CEOs in USA are American citizens - not Indian citizens. The whole question is moot

Do "Indian origin" ( not Indian ) CEOs sitting far away in the USA benefit INDIA more than the Adanis Tatas, Ambanis, or Birlas ?

How much employment do they generate IN India a country of 1.4 billion?
A comparison:

None directly

Chinese origin CEOs are very few or non-existent in the USA so by comparison the Chinese should be at the same level as Pakistan with zero CEOs ( since that is the benchmark for India) in economic and technical progress?

Who said that is the only benchmark for progress ?

There are 9 million Pakistani expatriates compared to 36 million Indian expatriates. If you claim to be on par with Indians you are going to get compared.

We don't see Chinese "techies" slaving 12 hour shifts living 5-6 in a shared apartment living off rice,dal, spinach, and avakaya, Wonder why ?

How do you think 1 million Chinese workers for Apple's factories live ? In mansions ??

For working conditions in China google what 996 is. Chinese invented it

Yet China is able to develop AI EW systems to spoof the Indian Air Force' s fighter jets.


Would like to have your views on why this is so.

@r3alist

 

[Baibers_1260]

Indian origin CEOs in USA are American citizens - not Indian citizens. The whole question is moot


None directly


Who said that is the only benchmark for progress ?

There are 9 million Pakistani expatriates compared to 36 million Indian expatriates. If you claim to be on par with Indians you are going to get compared.


How do you think 1 million Chinese workers for Apple's factories live ? In mansions ??

For working conditions in China google what 996 is. Chinese invented it

I worked on assignment in Xian China for two years coordinating joint development and manufacture of off highway equipment ( google that if you don't know). I have a fair overview of Chinese working conditions and having seen conditions in India, I don't need to be told on a forum which is better,
If "Indian origin"; CEOs are American citizens, then it is America first for them, not India ; so I don't see the relevance of whether Pakistani or Chinese origin CEOs are there or not. It is still America first and the presence (or lack of presence ) of Chinese/Pakistani CEOs has no effect on China or Pakistan.
So I don't understand why this "mine is bigger than yours" attitude on Indian origin USnCEOs grips the Indian mindset.
Frankly, I wish Pakistan had an Adani, Ambani or Tatas.
Pakistan has chosen to follow the Chinese path to industrialization so we are unlikely to have our Adani but someday we will have our own Hong Kong in Gwadar

 

[Baibers_1260]

These days, when young people ask me for advice, I encourage them to choose a traditional field they’re genuinely passionate about. The initial pay might be lower, and yes, it could involve more field work or hands on effort, but in the long run it often rewards you with better finances, quality of life, and work life balance as you grow older.

There is a saying "if you like what you are doing, you have never worked a day in your life"
I can safely vouch for that. My greatest pleasure is a solid 10 hour stint at my desk using my space ball mouse and CAD terminal, conjuring up concepts and designs solid models.
These models acquire a life of their own as I simulate, analyze, load, twist and recalibrate, Eventually they "jump" from the computer screen to the shop floor for prototyping where I roll my sleeves and literally get my hands dirty,
These machines become living breathing entities born from the efforts of my mind and those of my team members. I tend to think of the equipment I helped design as almost my children.

 

[nahtanbob]

I worked on assignment in Xian China for two years coordinating joint development and manufacture of off highway equipment ( google that if you don't know). I have a fair overview of Chinese working conditions and having seen conditions in India, I don't need to be told on a forum which is better,
If "Indian origin"; CEOs are American citizens, then it is America first for them, not India ; so I don't see the relevance of whether Pakistani or Chinese origin CEOs are there or not. It is still America first and the presence (or lack of presence ) of Chinese/Pakistani CEOs has no effect on China or Pakistan.
So I don't understand why this "mine is bigger than yours" attitude on Indian origin USnCEOs grips the Indian mindset.
Frankly, I wish Pakistan had an Adani, Ambani or Tatas.
Pakistan has chosen to follow the Chinese path to industrialization so we are unlikely to have our Adani but someday we will have our own Hong Kong in Gwadar

China is ahead of India in most aspects

Pakistanis have lagged behind Indians in all areas in USA. Quit bringing in Chinese into the argument. Chinese Americans are better than Indian Americans in some (or even a lot of) metrics. There are plenty of Chinese American CEOs

There is only one China. Pakistan trying to imitate China is not going to work. Pakistanis are not Chinese

I have no opinions on Tatas, Ambanis or Adanis. In the short run India is better off with Adanis and Ambanis. I am not sure they are a positive to the Indian economy in the long run. It remains to be seen

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Just last Friday, I was at a juice bar in Sydney and thinking '$12 for a glass of juice seems a bit much'. Just then a couple of college students ordered a glass each as a matter of course, LOL.

But I guess I am a cheapskate. I have these mental limits. A lunch drink shouldn't cost more than $5-6, a sandwich not more than $12-15, lunch not more than $20-25. Unless, of course, you are going to a proper restaurant lunch with friends or colleagues, then it's different.

These prices are all in an Australian context. The prices would be different elsewhere.

Could have that same meal in BEG for about USD$5.

 

[Baibers_1260]

Pakistanis have lagged behind Indians in all areas in USA.

Fun facts:

1. The President of the USA thinks Pakistanis are "great people " and "great people to trade with" .
2. So far no groups of Dunkee Pakistanis have been rounded up in the USA, handcuffed and put aboard C17 flights to Amritsar. That too in the full glare of the National Media
3. The Department of Homeland security hasn't listed Pakistan as the country sending the the third largest group of illegal immigrants with an estimated number 700,000 . Yes Pakistanis have lagged behind in illegal immigration . Link below:

Nine surprising facts about Indians in the US

Indians make up only a small share of the overall unauthorised migrant population in the US.

www.bbc.com

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Fun facts:

1. The President of the USA thinks Pakistanis are "great people " and "great people to trade with" .
2. So far no groups of Dunkee Pakistanis have been rounded up in the USA, handcuffed and put aboard C17 flights to Amritsar. That too in the full glare of the National Media
3. The Department of Homeland security hasn't listed Pakistan as the country sending the the third largest group of illegal immigrants with an estimated number 700,000 . Yes Pakistanis have lagged behind in illegal immigration . Link below:

Nine surprising facts about Indians in the US

Indians make up only a small share of the overall unauthorised migrant population in the US.

www.bbc.com

Pro tip: now would not be a good time to start catching up on #3.

 

[maverick]

Ha ha Curry small is bothering him I guess....

But Indian are good workers for any employer...hard working and do not make excuses...Do their job well.

a lot of trash is in USA .. majority of them..