Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[mangekyo]

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[ShapurII]

Our only hope is too mass murdering the reformists like Zarif , Rouhani , Flahat Pisheh , The merchant room members ...

By whom? It seems that Khamenei has lost all of his closest friends over the time.
It is theoretically likely that his days are numbered. He is a leader with few friends left, 86 years old, have fought 6 decades of his life for a cause that seems lost now, if history has shown us anything, it's that situations like this don't end well.

I can't help but see parallels with the Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran in 1941. He is pretty much in the position of Reza Shah now. I admire his strength, but he seems quite lonely now, and seems sidelined lately.

 

[StrategicBear]

So how many of Iran's missile capabilities are still intact for the next war?

Iran can't hope to degrade IDF's military capabilities as even if they destroyed all of their planes Uncle Sam will still give them more, so the focus is on maximizing damage to their infrastructure and airports so their economy will burn out long before Iran's in a Long War of Attrition.

 

[tsunset]

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As i said, Arabs are willing to give their land for the sake of Israel and Jews

Arabs love Jews to the point they will commit suicide and kill all their family just for Israel and jews

 

[OldTwilight]

By whom? It seems that Khamenei has lost all of his closest friends over the time.
It is theoretically likely that his days are numbered. He is a leader with few friends left, 86 years old, have fought 6 decades of his life for a cause that seems lost now, if history has shown us anything, it's that situations like this don't end well.

I can't help but see parallels with the Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran in 1941. He is pretty much in the position of Reza Shah now. I admire his strength, but he seems quite lonely now, and seems sidelined lately.

He has people, but he wants to play nice to reformist who killed so many of his friends ... he is afraid of purging systems and be seen as lunatic killer ...

 

[ShapurII]

He has people, but he wants to play nice to reformist who killed so many of his friends ... he is afraid of purging systems and be seen as lunatic killer ...

He could at least imprison these people. can't he? He could annul Pezeshkian's presidency, can't he?

Didn't he put Mousavi and Karroubi in house-arrest for nearly 15 years?

I think he has lost all of his close friends. Israel and the West have planned this coup for years, and year after year, they targeted people close to Khamenei to promote the reformists.

 

[OldTwilight]

He could at least imprison these people. can't he? He could annul Pezeshkian's presidency, can't he?

Didn't he put Mousavi and Karroubi in house-arrest for nearly 15 years?

I think he has lost all of his close friends. Israel and the West have planned this coup for years, and year after year, they targeted people close to Khamenei to promote the reformists.

No, he cannot , power politics is very complex in Iran ... even SL has not such power, due this cryptic power balance that we can't decide about simple things like making nuke.

 

[ShapurII]

No, he cannot , power politics is very complex in Iran ... even SL has not such power, due this cryptic power balance that we can't decide about simple things like making nuke.

This cryptic power balance is called Russia.

Fun fact: Russians, i.e. people of Russia, are more Zionist than Americans.

 

[lightning f57]

Maybe a strategic retreat is needed, that would be this rumoured proposal to allow some limited enrichment on Kish Island and to have all sanctions lifted.

Iran needs to rebuild conventionally and economically, having snap back will only grind it down and weaken it further. I dont see any country coming to aid Iran, including Russia or China. Iran seems to be pretty much alone, when the mongols are at your gate its important to remember the lesson of 1218. Better to opt for the diplomatic route when you have fewer cards to play.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

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[ShapurII]

Maybe a strategic retreat is needed, that would be this rumoured proposal to allow some limited enrichment on Kish Island and to have all sanctions lifted.

Iran needs to rebuild conventionally and economically, having snap back will only grind it down and weaken it further. I dont see any country coming to aid Iran, including Russia or China. Iran seems to be pretty much alone, when the mongols are at your gate its important to remember the lesson of 1218. Better to opt for the diplomatic route when you have fewer cards to play.

But is there a diplomatic route?
Most people believe that it is either surrender or nuclear deterrence. There is no in-between option. Why would your enemy help you recover when you're at your weakest?

 

[Hakwa Nadro]

The base was damaged, what about the missiles and TELS? I think Iran should offer China a huge Naval Base on the Persian Gulf coast on the pretext of protecting sea lanes for energy transfer to China. This will give Iran enough breathing time to rebuild and restock on the military and infrastructure front. But is China prepared to take the risk of entering a Middle East war to protect its interests? Albeit Iran could also offer Russia a military base in lieu of lost Syria and Armenia for the same reason.

 

[OldTwilight]

Maybe a strategic retreat is needed, that would be this rumoured proposal to allow some limited enrichment on Kish Island and to have all sanctions lifted.

Iran needs to rebuild conventionally and economically, having snap back will only grind it down and weaken it further. I dont see any country coming to aid Iran, including Russia or China. Iran seems to be pretty much alone, when the mongols are at your gate its important to remember the lesson of 1218. Better to opt for the diplomatic route when you have fewer cards to play.

We will pass these troubled days one way or another ...

 

[BigMela2onin]

Maybe a strategic retreat is needed, that would be this rumoured proposal to allow some limited enrichment on Kish Island and to have all sanctions lifted.

Iran needs to rebuild conventionally and economically, having snap back will only grind it down and weaken it further. I dont see any country coming to aid Iran, including Russia or China. Iran seems to be pretty much alone, when the mongols are at your gate its important to remember the lesson of 1218. Better to opt for the diplomatic route when you have fewer cards to play.

West is not interested in deals, there is no possibility of a deal. They want everything for nothing. If you give up enrichment they will want everything else too. Mongols wanted to take the land for themselves, the whites want to slash and burn everything.

 

[lightning f57]

But is there a diplomatic route?
Most people believe that it is either surrender or nuclear deterrence. There is no in-between option. Why would your enemy help you recover when you're at your weakest?

This seems like a potential diplomatic off ramp

If its genuine then its better for Iran to pursue it because Irans leaders are too scared to have nukes and too scared to give up on nukes as well, they are literally behaving like they have their heads in the sand.

Obviously the US and Israel are hard to trust but if Iran massages Trumpy's ego it may help cool things down and he will see it as a victory.