Parsis and Hindutva's Ethnic Nationalism in India

[vsdoc]

I can help bring it back thusly.

even though sikhs and marathas brought a stunning martial character in the post independence stage it took another great parsi to define victory for the country.

Field Marshal SAM.

him and people like General Kariappa (kodagu mountain tribals !.. minority again )

Whenever talk turns justifiably to Sam sir, I always make it a point to bring up another great man closer home.

Colonel Tarapore, PVC, of the Poona Horse.

His regiment respectfully given the name of Fakhr-e-Hind by our enemies in the '65 war where he laid down his life. At the Battle of Chawinda, Phillora, Butur-Dograndi, where his tank took multiple hits but he kept fighting on. A great tanker. Possibly our greatest.

Ardeshir Tarapore - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I knew his daughter, and know his granddaughter as a close family friend.

A proud Zoroastrian, he went up in flames with his destroyed tank, fighting till the end.

Taham Tan Zanam!

Cheers, Doc

 

[Joe Shearer]

The Swastika is shared beyond just you and us.

Its pan Asia and Europe in fact.

Cheers, Doc

P.S. Shenaz is still showing her slightly gravity assisted middle aged wares on you tube.

Still. Its not been an easy journey. Without the continued threat of annihilation ... or assimilation.

This is a fascinating piece.

If you want to see how Parsis have survived and thrived in India, among current examples

See Ratan Tata (or any Parsi industrialist)

See Cyrus Broacha (or any social media influencer, commentator or entertainer)

See CJI Fali Nariman or any of the other 4 Parsi CJI's (or any public servant in high office)

See Doc (or any white collar professional who is outnumbered a million to one in his field of expertise)

All of these will have a public life and a very very private life.

@Joe Shearer I'd appreciate your patient reading and thoughts on the piece too. When you have the time.

@indushek @Rivino @Guru Dutt @Jbgt90tankguy @Developereo

Cheers, Doc

Finally read it, and managed to stay on course till the beginning of part 5. Very disappointed not to get the author's name.

He said everything that needed to be said.

Muslim are not MINORITY in India they are the second Biggest Majority with almost 30 crore in population and the hindutva means if you hurt and mock our cultar and lifestyle and gods we have all rights to retaliate and if muslim wakf board or chritsian church of india is not governed by indian goverment why should hindu tempels and shrines be governed by indian goverment .... in short we need justice for all but appeasment to none and this so called sekularism means appeasment to christians and muslims at cost of hindus and when we starting pride in sanatan dharm and retaliting against these discrimintion the congress and its toddy ecosystem named it as intolerence and hindutva .. as simple as that

What stupid logic is that?

There can only be one community in a majority. All others are minorities.

Respectfully called Fakhr-e-Hind by our enemies in the '65 war where he laid down his life. A great tanker. Possibly our greatest

Correction.
He was a very good soldier, but Fakhr-e-Hind was his beloved regiment, not he.

 

[r3alist]

What stupid logic is that?

There can only be one community in a majority. All others are minorities

Thanks, that war my actual point as well.

 

[vsdoc]

Correction.
He was a very good soldier, but Fakhr-e-Hind was his beloved regiment, not he.

I stand corrected, Sir.

Cheers, Doc

Finally read it, and managed to stay on course till the beginning of part 5. Very disappointed not to get the author's name.

The name of rhe Author and his institute are at the top of the original post Joe.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Joe Shearer]

Still. Its not been an easy journey. Without the continued threat of annihilation ... or assimilation.

This is a fascinating piece.

If you want to see how Parsis have survived and thrived in India, among current examples

See Ratan Tata (or any Parsi industrialist)

See Cyrus Broacha (or any social media influencer, commentator or entertainer)

See CJI Fali Nariman or any of the other 4 Parsi CJI's (or any public servant in high office)

See Doc (or any white collar professional who is outnumbered a million to one in his field of expertise)

All of these will have a public life and a very very private life.

@Joe Shearer I'd appreciate your patient reading and thoughts on the piece too. When you have the time.

@indushek @Rivino @Guru Dutt @Jbgt90tankguy @Developereo

Cheers, Doc

Ah, got it, many thanks.

How on earth did he get things SO right?

 

[vsdoc]

Ah, got it, many thanks.

How on earth did he get things SO right?

Distance.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Joe Shearer]

Distance.

Cheers, Doc

That must be it!
Amazing insight.
Truly astonishing, for someone not living here,

 

[vsdoc]

@Joe Shearer I've corrected my post. Is it factually correct now?

My father, the Param Vir Chakra Hero: Lt. Colonel A. B. Tarapore

In spite of being wounded in battle, Lieutenant Colonel A B Tarapore fought for six days before meeting a hero's death on the battlefield in the 1965 war. A

parsikhabar.net

Cheers, Doc

 

[r3alist]

Dilapidated by British, then built up by Sikhs? You are full of bullshit.

And a few Parsis, do not forget their contribution. Am strictly staying on topic.

 

[r3alist]

I am actually interested in this topic and wanting to give it due respect.

In India, Parsis are exemplary because Muslims are threatening and vice versa. The exemplary minority is the model of what other minorities must but cannot become. Its use in India does not address Parsis, but Muslims exhorting them to follow the Parsi example.

Ok so I read the conclusion and this really is the most instructive bit but incomplete.
I think hindutva types are enamoured by and comfortable with people who see Muslims from a similar lens to themselves. The fact that Parsis fled Muslim lands cements this. Also that they left an iranic and Persian civilization serves as an "ego boost" to those who see the world as a civilisational struggle, I suppose that would be the more base hindutva types.

Then what elevates the parsi status is their economic achievements but that I feel comes after the other aspects.

 

[Joe Shearer]

@Joe Shearer I've corrected my post. Is it factually correct now?

My father, the Param Vir Chakra Hero: Lt. Colonel A. B. Tarapore

In spite of being wounded in battle, Lieutenant Colonel A B Tarapore fought for six days before meeting a hero's death on the battlefield in the 1965 war. A

parsikhabar.net

Cheers, Doc

Soul stirring account.
Poona Horse was a very special regiment. The colonel was in the Hyderabad state troops, and joined the Indian Army after the police action, and, to the regiments and his own good fortune, they came together. And what a team they were!
Not only that Star studded bunch- so many of the Colonel's field officers became general officers later, including the other legend, Hanut Singh (who shares his name with India's greatest polo player), whom Mrs. Boyce mentions in her moving account. It was Hanut who, as CO, had to face a second lieutenant who had been assigned to a course, but wanted to go with the regiment into battle instead. Hanut caved in, Not having the heart to tell the boy to stand down, and that got them the second PVC after the colonel. That boy was Anil Kshetrapal.
What a regiment. Hanut BTW himself got an MVC. NOT a chair borne warrior.

@Joe Shearer I've corrected my post. Is it factually correct now?

My father, the Param Vir Chakra Hero: Lt. Colonel A. B. Tarapore

In spite of being wounded in battle, Lieutenant Colonel A B Tarapore fought for six days before meeting a hero's death on the battlefield in the 1965 war. A

parsikhabar.net

Cheers, Doc

Didn't they deserve their title, Fakhr e Hind?

 

[vsdoc]

Soul stirring account.
Poona Horse was a very special regiment. The colonel was in the Hyderabad state troops, and joined the Indian Army after the police action, and, to the regiments and his own good fortune, they came together. And what a team they were!
Not only that Star studded bunch- so many of the Colonel's field officers became general officers later, including the other legend, IHanut Singh (who shares him name with India's greatest polo player), whom Mrs. Boyce mentions in her moving account. It was Hanut who, as CO, had to face a second lieutenant who had been assigned to a course, but wanted to be with regiment into battle instead. Hanut caved in, Not having the heart to tell the boy to stand down, and that got them the second PVC after the colonel. That boy was Anil Kshetrapal.
Yhat a regiment. Hanut BTW himself got an MVC. NOT a chair borne warrior.


Didn't they deserve their title, Fakhr e Hind?

Absolutely did. No better honor than that given by an enemy. You know you have earned it in blood.

One of our great regiments. Super elite.

She was a really strong lady. But would always break down when remembering the last time she saw her dad. She passed away a few year ago.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Joe Shearer]

Absolutely did. No better honor than that given by an enemy. You know you have earned it in blood.

One of our great regiments. Super elite.

She was a really strong lady. But would always break down when remembering the last time she saw her dad. She passed away a few year ago.

Cheers, Doc

Please stop it, Doc.
I keep tearing up.
Let's talk of something else.

Those other pagans got it right
Dulce et decorum pro patria mori.

 

[Sainthood 2.0]

1. Mongols had large number of foreign Nobel to help them rule china.

Most of the highest government posts went to Mongols or to foreigners. The Mongols believed that foreigners were more trustworthy since they had no local loyalties.

2. Mughals kept Foreign Muslims such as Iranis and Turanis commanded high status and occupied high positions. Their official language was Persian.

In Mughal India, foreign Muslims like Iranis and Turanis were around 1% of the population. Yet, they enjoyed most of the higher positions.
Out of 51 Mansabdars

1. 45% were Persians.
2. 17% were Turani Turks.
3. Only 7% were Indian Muslims.

3. In British India, the percentage of muslims was 25% pan India (94.5 million people or 24.3 % as per the 1941 Census of India). But 48-52% of Army soldiers were MUSLIMS (over 100 years).

4. Muslims also formed a disproportionate portion of Policemen in British India. E.g. in UP state which had 9% muslim population had a police force which had 40% muslims. You will find similar disproportionate numbers in Bengal and punjab police too.

5. British army hired Gorkhas and Baloch (Independent kingdoms) for their army.

6. ONLY Jatt Sikhs and punjabi Muslims were allowed to own and purchase farm land in Punjab. ( martial race was a designation created by British after the Indian Rebellion of 1857).
Even today 95% of farm land in Punjab are owned by Jatt Sikhs. (98% of Khalistanis too)

7. British allowed only Parsi to continue as Ship builders (Wadia family) and Opium Traders (Tata) and even allowed them to start steel mills which was forbidden for other Indians.
Parsi men were handpicked for Officer duty, never as a Jawan in British Indian Army.

Lt. Colonel Ardeshir Burjorji Tarapore
Vice Admiral RF Contractor
Air Chief Marshal Fali Homi Major
Air Marshal Aspy Engineer
Admiral Jal Cursetji
Field Marshal Sam Manekshaw


NOTICE A PATTERN ?

 

[vsdoc]

Dulce et decorum pro patria mori.

Full disclosure. Had to Google.

Taham Tan Zanam.

Cheers, Doc