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[Immortals]

Iran’s leaning more toward China these days….not just because of delays and hiccups with Russian deliveries and maintenance, but to keep their plans running smoothly. Chances are, they’ll go for Chinese AWACS to sync up with their J-10Cs.

China isn’t giving anything to Iran. There is no incentive for China to re-build up Iran.

Or China may ask something that Iran is unwilling to accept (military base on Iranian soil or lucrative oil field terms).

People here are engaging in wishful thinking that China will give Iran, Pakistan level ToT and strategic partnership.

The last major arms deal between China and Iran was in 2000 for C-802 cruise missile and that deal was riffed with problems on each side.

Iran has shunned Russia and China too many times in the past and the other side has reciprocated, so the entire relationship is filled with mistrust. Add in the reformists in Iran and you can see why Russia or China are unwilling to take the risk of ruining relationships with other Arab countries (and Israel) to bet on Iran.

 

[Hack-Hook]

China isn’t giving anything to Iran. There is no incentive for China to re-build up Iran.

Or China may ask something that Iran is unwilling to accept (military base on Iranian soil or lucrative oil field terms).

People here are engaging in wishful thinking that China will give Iran, Pakistan level ToT and strategic partnership.

The last major arms deal between China and Iran was in 2000 for C-802 cruise missile and that deal was riffed with problems on each side.

Iran has shunned Russia and China too many times in the past and the other side has reciprocated, so the entire relationship is filled with mistrust. Add in the reformists in Iran and you can see why Russia or China are unwilling to take the risk of ruining relationships with other Arab countries (and Israel) to bet on Iran.

before Iranian companies start developing south pars field Iran offered it to china, European and India they did nothing with it

 

[OldTwilight]

Well , we are at first step again ... So, just rise the priority of SR3 project and let's hope we would have something in par with JF17 B2 in next 3-4 years.

Anyway, we need an engine at least as good as RD93 or just 1 small turbofan engine with dry thrust of 25-3 KN in 2 engine configurations to build something like JF17 B2 ...

we built hypersonic missiles, if we really push ourselves to the limit, we can build something in par with JF17 B2 with better aerodynamic and reduced RCS ...

its not enough to secure our sky but with help of AD its would be good enough to not let our sky to become walk in park for enemy fighters and drones ...


we already reserved engineered J85 , we just need to turn it to something like CF700 , make some modification and add an afterburner to it and we will have something good enough to work around it ...

I still don't know what our AF and Defense ministry were doing in past 20 years ... just unveiling so many useless variants of F5s, they never believed in our own industrial capabilities (( our AF and DM didn't have someone like Tehrani Moghaddam ))

 

[tsunset]

The only hopes of buying foreign aircraft is North Korea with Su-7, J-5, MiG-17, Mig-23BN and Il-28 bombers

The rest are reluctant and probably won't deliver to Iran

 

[OldTwilight]

The only hopes of buying foreign aircraft is North Korea with Su-7, J-5, MiG-17, Mig-23BN and Il-28 bombers

The rest are reluctant and probably won't deliver to Iran

Well , we have mig 23/27 , Sukhoi 22 , Su 24 and ...

We need something agile , easy to use and good enough to disrupt enemy formations ...

The Saegheh project or Qaher 313 had good initial vision but nothing good came out from them ...

 

[OldTwilight]

توضیحات دولت روحانی درباره خرید جنگنده‌های پیشرفته​

توضیحات دولت روحانی درباره خرید جنگنده‌های پیشرفته – انصاف نیوز

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Look like Chinese asked for cash while they knew Iran can not transfer money via swift due sanctions (in past) .... smart play by china... so just stop all talk about buying Chinese fighters ...

دفتر محمدباقر نوبخت، رئیس دفتر حسن روحانی در واکنش به گزارشی با عنوان «چگونه روحانی و نوبخت قدرت هوایی ایران را قربانی لبخند غرب کردند؟» جوابیه‌ای نوشته است که متن آن به نقل از سایت آقای روحانی در پی می‌آید:

بسمه تعالی
مدیرمسئول محترم پایگاه اطلاع‌رسانی «تابناک»
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پیرو انتشار گزارش خبری تحت عنوان «چگونه روحانی و نوبخت قدرت هوایی ایران را قربانی لبخند غرب کردند؟» که حاوی اظهارات خلاف‌واقع، توهین آشکار و اتهامات بی‌اساس می‌باشد، در راستای اجرای ماده (۲۳) قانون مطبوعات و احترام به مخاطبان گرامی آن رسانه، مراتب جهت تنویر اذهان عمومی به شرح ذیل اعلام می‌گردد:

۱- تصمیم‌گیری درباره خرید اقلام نظامی و دفاعی مطلقاً در حوزه وظایف و اختیارات دولت نیست و تشخیص آن با فرماندهان عالی نظامی و سلسله مراتب ذیربط است.

طبقه‌بندی آن «سرّی» و نقش دولت صرفاً تأمین اعتبار خریدها از محل بودجه سالانه است، البته شرایط با ثبات دیپلماتیک و رفع تحریم‌ها توسط دولت‌ها نیز در این مهم مؤثر هستند؛ مانند امکان خرید سامانه‌های پدافندی اس-۳۰۰ از روسیه پس از توافق برجام.

۲- مقام معظم رهبری در سخنرانی یکم فروردین‌ماه ۱۴۰۰ (آخرین سال دولت دوازدهم) فرمودند: «در بخش‌های دفاعی هم روزبه‌روز الحمدلله پیشرفت کشور برجسته‌تر و درخشان‌تر و از نظر بعضی حیرت‌انگیزتر دارد می‌شود که این تولیدات دفاعی کشور ضریب امنیّت خارجی کشور را بالا می‌برد؛ این خیلی مهم است برای کشور.»

۳- در حوزه تولید اقلام دفاعی نیز وزرای دفاع دولت شاهد عینی اهتمام دکتر روحانی در مسیر ارتقای سطح دفاعی و نظامی ایران عزیزند. گزارش سردار حسین دهقان، وزیر دفاع دولت یازدهم حاکی از افزایش صد درصدی تولید سلاح‌های رزم انفرادی و جمعی در دولت یازدهم در مقایسه با دولت گذشته است. (۱۲ اردیبهشت ۱۳۹۶) همچنین سامانه‌های پدافند هوایی سوم خرداد، ۱۵ خرداد و باور ۳۷۳ نیز در دولت‌های یازدهم و دوازدهم رونمایی شدند.

۴- تأکید می‌گردد، ادعای سایت تابناک مبنی بر خودداری دولت دکتر روحانی از خرید ۳۰ فروند جنگنده نسل چهارم از چین و به ازای آن تصمیم برای خرید جنگنده‌های فرسوده میراژ از فرانسه از اساس «کذب» است.

دکتر نوبخت، سخنگوی وقت دولت پیرو اظهارنظری که سایت المانیتور در مرداد ۱۳۹۴ منتشر کرد، صرفاً به یک احتمال اشاره کردند: «فرانسه می‌تواند نیاز ما را برای خرید جنگنده‌های میراژ برآورده کند.» برخلاف ادعای سایت تابناک، خرید احتمالی جنگنده از فرانسه، به‌هیچ‌وجه جایگزین خرید جنگنده از چین نبود و اصولاً هیچ مذاکره‌ای درباره آن نشد که امروز ادعا می‌شود با لغو قرارداد خرید جنگنده از چین، دولت روحانی درصدد خرید جنگنده از میراژ بود. اتفاقاً دلیل عدم خرید جنگنده چینی «چنگدو جی-۱۰» مشکلات انتقال وجه بود.

اگر «سناریست» این گزارش به آرشیو تابناک مراجعه کند (جنگنده «جی-۲۰» چینی مناسب ایران/ موانع فروش رفع شد؟ – ۱۰ آبان ۱۴۰۳) پاسخ ادعای خلاف واقع خود را دریافت می‌کند؛ در این گزارش ذکر شده: «مقامات چینی موضوع فروش جنگنده از سوی این کشور به ایران را مطرح نکرده‌اند. برخی گمانه‌ها حاکی از آن است که یکی از موانع فروش جنگنده از سوی چین به ایران موضوع انتقال وجه آن است. عنوان شده که چین تمایلی به تهاتر جنگنده با نفت یا سایر اقلام از سوی ایران نداشته است. سال ۲۰۲۱ نیز برخی رسانه‌ها از جمله «ساوت چاینا مورنینگ‌پست» گزارش دادند که تهران علاقه‌مند به خرید ۳۶ فروند جنگنده پیشرفته چینی است اما یافتن پول نقد ممکن است دشوار باشد. به اعتقاد این رسانه تحلیلگران نظامی می‌گویند اکنون زمان مبادله سلاح با نفت نیست اما معتقدند پکن در حال بررسی این اقدام است. این رسانه چینی تحریم تسلیحاتی سازمان ملل را به صورت ضمنی مانع حقوقی چنین برای معامله ذکر کرده بود. تحریمی که سال ۲۰۲۳ برداشته شد. علیرغم امضای سند مشارکت همکاری استراتژیک میان ایران و چین اما پکن ملاحظات دیگری درباره فروش جنگنده به ایران دارد. به عبارت دیگر موانع چنین اقدامی را نباید به مسائل مالی یا حقوقی صرف تقلیل داد.»
این گزارش تابناک، بهترین پاسخ به ادعای خلاف واقع تابناک است!

 

[Rational Philosopher]

My god this whole thread is just wishful thinking and a big old rumor mill.

Exactly. Pages and pages of an imaginary deal that has no real sources of it actually being signed apart from random Twitter account with 10 followers and now everyone copied and pasted it citing each other.

 

[Pakistanithinktank]

Well , we have mig 23/27 , Sukhoi 22 , Su 24 and ...

We need something agile , easy to use and good enough to disrupt enemy formations ...

The Saegheh project or Qaher 313 had good initial vision but nothing good came out from them ...

So, Iran’s in a tough spot, it’s running out of time to modernize its aging air force, and the choices aren’t exactly endless. We’ve already broken it down into low, medium, and high end options. and here’s how it’s looking:

Low-Cost Option: JF-17 Block 3, A decent budget pick, especially since Pakistan’s willing to sell them on easy loans, Not top-tier, but better than MiG-29 and Mirage-2000.

Mid-Range Play: J-10C, China’s got these in stock, and they’re not asking for cash upfront. Oil and loans? Yeah, they’ll take that deal. Solid 4.5-gen fighter, way better than Iran’s current outdated fighters.

Dream Scenario: 5th-Gen (J-35?), If Iran can scrape together the cash (or more oil), maybe China throws them a bone down the line, maybe after 2030. But let’s be real…that’s a long shot for now.

Bottom line, China and Pakistan are basically Iran’s only hope, and both are happy to cut deals if it means locking in influence. No fancy Western jets, no Russian handouts (thanks, sanctions), just whatever Beijing and Islamabad are willing to offer. Time’s ticking either Iran takes what it can get, or it keeps flying relics from the ‘80s.

 

[OldTwilight]

So, Iran’s in a tough spot, it’s running out of time to modernize its aging air force, and the choices aren’t exactly endless. We’ve already broken it down into low, medium, and high end options. and here’s how it’s looking:

Low-Cost Option: JF-17 Block 3, A decent budget pick, especially since Pakistan’s willing to sell them on easy loans, Not top-tier, but better than MiG-29 and Mirage-2000.

Mid-Range Play: J-10C, China’s got these in stock, and they’re not asking for cash upfront. Oil and loans? Yeah, they’ll take that deal. Solid 4.5-gen fighter, way better than Iran’s current outdated fighters.

Dream Scenario: 5th-Gen (J-35?), If Iran can scrape together the cash (or more oil), maybe China throws them a bone down the line, maybe after 2030. But let’s be real…that’s a long shot for now.

Bottom line, China and Pakistan are basically Iran’s only hope, and both are happy to cut deals if it means locking in influence. No fancy Western jets, no Russian handouts (thanks, sanctions), just whatever Beijing and Islamabad are willing to offer. Time’s ticking either Iran takes what it can get, or it keeps flying relics from the ‘80s.

then there won't be any deals ... we simply don't compromise...

At best , buying 100 JF17 B3 with some kj500 AWACs is most likely option...

 

[Rational Philosopher]

then there won't be any deals ... we simply don't compromise...

At best , buying 100 JF17 B3 with some kj500 AWACs is most likely option...

You could technically make your own rudimentary unmanned AEWACs to be honest and then also have unmanned platforms carrying air-to-air missiles scattered across the sky, purely for a decentralised but networked A2/AD posture.

Iran can make drones yes? It can make radars, yes? And it can make decent air-air missiles yes?

So something like this, with radars installed.



And another for carrying missiles.

It can't 100% protect you but it can make it difficult to carry out sustained operations.

 

[OldTwilight]

You could technically make your own rudimentary unmanned AEWACs to be honest and then also have unmanned platforms carrying air-to-air missiles scattered across the sky, purely for a decentralised but networked A2/AD posture.

Iran can make drones yes? It can make radars, yes? And it can make decent air-air missiles yes?

So something like this, with radars installed.

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And another for carrying missiles.

It can't 100% protect you but it can make it difficult to carry out sustained operations.

we don't have real time communication sattlites

 

[tsunset]

then there won't be any deals ... we simply don't compromise...

At best , buying 100 JF17 B3 with some kj500 AWACs is most likely option...

Iran needs the Chinese AD systems with KJ-500

And make our own AD systems and Russian ones work with KJ-500

 

[OldTwilight]

Iran needs the Chinese AD systems with KJ-500

And make our own AD systems and Russian ones work with KJ-500

Chinese AD system for export have Lowe characteristics than ours ... but our systems are low in quantity ...

we don't have enough info to recommend anything, we are just guessing...

 

[Lulldapull]

Chinese AD system for export have Lowe characteristics than ours ... but our systems are low in quantity ...

we don't have enough info to recommend anything, we are just guessing...

They failed us horribly against hendu attack back in may this year.

Evidently, Irans far more capable militarily than China.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Chinese AD system for export have Lowe characteristics than ours ... but our systems are low in quantity ...

we don't have enough info to recommend anything, we are just guessing...

when the enemy can fire ATGMs and FPV drones across the country static air defences are impossible

ambush air defence systems are more valuable. 358 and SHORAD systems must be produced in huge numbers as well as mobile radars