PAF F-16 | Discussions

[Mechanic]

Yep, AIM120-D should be pre-condition for any F-16 deal. Otherwise no matter how amazing the machine is, it will be toothless in today's age of long range BVRs.

BTW, what are the chances that US could hint such things purposely to twist india's arm that either you buy our fighter jets OR we will sell advance weapons to Pak.

What advantage would AIM120-D provide us that we already dont have ? With Indians jets getting knocked out at maximum range of PL-15, Indians will likely maintain a buffer zone of 200-250 kms in the next conflict. What good would the AIM-120 D do with range of 150-180 km which even our PL-15E's cover. Secondly there are rumours of Israel offering Indians Sky Sting missile with the range of 250km. So what exactly good these AIM-120 Ds would do ?

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

What is this news floating around that the "UAE offering the desert eagles to the PAF".
anyone else ?

by desert eagles you mean F-16E/F Block 60 "Desert Falcons"?

 

[Toxic]

The rumours are fake

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

The rumours are fake

Allah karay esa hi ho

 

[StormBreaker]

Yep, AIM120-D should be pre-condition for any F-16 deal. Otherwise no matter how amazing the machine is, it will be toothless in today's age of long range BVRs.

BTW, what are the chances that US could hint such things purposely to twist india's arm that either you buy our fighter jets OR we will sell advance weapons to Pak.

High chance, that’s what I’ve been considering ever since the ACM visit.

$1-1.5bn PAF deal is a small amount compared to a $10bn+ deal with India for F-35s (which might not be possible due to S-400 but USA always has a variable attitude towards different countries so S-400 might actually not be an issue for India). Trump is a businessman. He is trying to get India onboard.

I won’t be surprised if India starts some sort of fake 2-4 year long talks with US for F-35s, halting the PAF F-16 deal and in the end slipping out of the talks without anything for the US. They’re notorious for this.

But if any F-16 deal goes down, We will see J-35s sooner than expected because the PAF has kept that option as a bargain chip.

PLAAF will gradually start replacing J-10B with J-35 so we can get further 2-4 squadrons if we want to. USA knows that we aren’t out of options. High chance is that any F-16 deal that goes through will eventually materialize.

 

[StormBreaker]

The rumours are fake

Even if they were true, Why would UAE cut down its fleet at a time like this without any replacement as they don’t have any active procurement orders right now and F-35 has been scrapped.

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

Even if they were true, Why would UAE cut down its fleet at a time like this without any replacement as they don’t have any active procurement orders right now and F-35 has been scrapped.

Kahin wo export foreign GCC state for J35AE UAE tau nahi?

 

[StormBreaker]

Kahin wo export foreign GCC state for J35AE UAE tau nahi?

I always had my suspicions on UAEAF being the locked customer of J-35 but they wouldn’t hide that.

China wouldn’t want to sell the J-35 to countries where US/NATO militaries have bases. That would completely expose the RCS and might become a test ground to test their EW capabilities against the J-35.

@Deino @Salza What do you guys think?

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

I always had my suspicions on UAEAF being the locked customer of J-35 but they wouldn’t hide that.

China wouldn’t want to sell the J-35 to countries where US/NATO militaries have bases. That would completely expose the RCS and might become a test ground to test their EW capabilities against the J-35.

@Deino @Salza What do you guys think?

you are right it wont make sense why china will offer J35 to UAEAF where US/NATO have bases. waisay hi tukka lagaya maine

 

[Salza]

I always had my suspicions on UAEAF being the locked customer of J-35 but they wouldn’t hide that.

China wouldn’t want to sell the J-35 to countries where US/NATO militaries have bases. That would completely expose the RCS and might become a test ground to test their EW capabilities against the J-35.

@Deino @Salza What do you guys think?

But you cannot deny their buying power China may sell them some what lesser rated plane as compared to PAF since China perfectly knows our requirement and how we buy stuff from them. Like for e.g. to UAE PL15E might be ranging 145KM only while for us E means Extended range rather than export version

 

[StormBreaker]

But you cannot deny their buying power China may sell them some what lesser rated plane as compared to PAF since China perfectly knows our requirement and how we buy stuff from them. Like for e.g. to UAE PL15E might be ranging 145KM only while for us E means Extended range rather than export version

Obviously. They could buy in huge numbers and J-35 has a good chance of becoming the F16 of fifth Gen in terms Is exports

 

[rafale]

I hear you. issue is American reliability and their dependence on India to counter China. this issue makes the possibility of military equipment trade with Pakistan against American strategic planning since Pakistan will use these weapons against India.

Americans are very stupid at times which leads them to their current politics.

But deep down they have very high level of intellectual think tank resources that silently plan decades ahead and make decisions that act as levers of power.

Having said that, these intelligent Americans/Think Tanks know that America arming India to counter China will do two things:

1-Piss Pakistan off completely
2-Give leverage to China to openly support Pakistan more

The problem with No. 1 is that Americans can't really abandon Pakistan and its deep rooted geo-strategic importance in the region. They just can't. It would be the stupidest move of their foreign relations. Even bigger than not being able to see Iranian revolution coming

The problem with No.2 is that open financing of arms is only for Israel lobby. So whatever Americans agree to arm India with (Be it Stealth jets or whatever) it will come at cost to India. But in case of China-Pakistan, finances will not be an issue. China's surging economy can easily finance Pakistani arms and keep Indians and Americans at bay.

Most people don't realize what China was in 2010. What it is today. and going by that what it will be in next decade. China will surpass almost all technological advantages USA had in the next decade, and that is 100% guaranteed.

Europe toed the line on Trade. Canada is kneeling down. UK did. South Americans will do too. Indians are kneeling as well. Look at China. Americans went running to them to beg a deal on rare earths.

Right now China is playing a balancing act. Not arm Pakistan too much because you dont know then which way things will go. So China still wants control.
But anyone thinking that Americans can counter China with India, is living and daydreaming in a fools land. Most of such people are Indians. The same types who claim SU30MKI superior to F-22 raptors and Rafales superior to J-20s.

 

[rafale]

But you cannot deny their buying power China may sell them some what lesser rated plane as compared to PAF since China perfectly knows our requirement and how we buy stuff from them. Like for e.g. to UAE PL15E might be ranging 145KM only while for us E means Extended range rather than export version

E in PL15E doesn't mean Extended range...it means Extend Pakistani Airspace 200 KM into India........

 

[Philip the arab]

Well, let’s see the 80 new Rafales are coming in within the next couple years. If UAE keeps some of the Mirages as well their fleet would already be well over its current numbers.

Block 60s are getting older, and they will be replaced relatively soon. I don’t think this has anything to do with J-35 but is a gradual shifting out of their fleet.

Mirages will be donated + some F-16s and eventually when a platform to replace the F-16s arrive they will all be given away/retired.

I still doubt this news though, we’ll see.

 

[Sipahsalar]

F-16V or the 120 D doesn't provide us with any capability we don't already have, it isn't some game changer that will shift the balance of power so much that India will be forced to buy American fighters.

It’s more about upgrading our F16s so they can participate in combat instead of sitting it out on the bench.